Japan Quake. Epic devastation [2011-03-11]

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#447885 12-Mar-2011 19:24

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freitasm: As usual, the Boston Globe has impressive pictures in their The Big Picture blog: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/03/massive_earthquake_hits_japan.html

Was it just good luck or did they manage to get all the planes out of the Sendai airport??

The caption for photo #5 says: "Light planes and vehicles sit among the debris after they were swept by a tsumani that struck Sendai airport in northern Japan. (Kyodo News/Associated Press)" so it looks like the answer is no, at least not all the planes.

I was referring to the commercial stuff as there were passengers on the roof who were waiting for flites..

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#448051 13-Mar-2011 21:04

mattwnz: It is reported at between 8.4 and 8.9, which i huge, but it was quite some distance away and under the sea. Also a tsunami advisory for NZ, but don't know when it will hit. Japanese modern buildings are largely built to withstand these, unlike the old building stock in Christchurch was, and Tokyo buildings look in to have held up well, so hopefully there won't be too many deaths. I think most deaths and damage may occur from the tsunamis. I think it must be one of the first times that tsunamis of this size have been captured on camera causing this sort of damage.

Well, it's not only that. According to what's on Wikipedia for both quakes, the ground acceleration was 2.2g (or 2.2 times the speed of gravity) for Christchurch. For Japan, it was only .35 due to the distance and depth of the quake. This means that the ground was shaking much more violently during the Christchurch quake. Although their buildings are more modern than ours, you likely would have seen simillar scenes of destruction under the same conditions. The tsunami is the killer for Japan, not the quake.

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#448061 13-Mar-2011 22:03

Obraik:
mattwnz: It is reported at between 8.4 and 8.9, which i huge, but it was quite some distance away and under the sea. Also a tsunami advisory for NZ, but don't know when it will hit. Japanese modern buildings are largely built to withstand these, unlike the old building stock in Christchurch was, and Tokyo buildings look in to have held up well, so hopefully there won't be too many deaths. I think most deaths and damage may occur from the tsunamis. I think it must be one of the first times that tsunamis of this size have been captured on camera causing this sort of damage.

Well, it's not only that. According to what's on Wikipedia for both quakes, the ground acceleration was 2.2g (or 2.2 times the speed of gravity) for Christchurch. For Japan, it was only .35 due to the distance and depth of the quake. This means that the ground was shaking much more violently during the Christchurch quake. Although their buildings are more modern than ours, you likely would have seen simillar scenes of destruction under the same conditions. The tsunami is the killer for Japan, not the quake.

You could see in the videos, that the amount of movement in the offices in Tokyo was nowhere near the same amount that occurred in the christchurch videos. The christcurch movement may have also been amplified by the liquifaction, and the medium rise buildings possibily collapsed due to the reasonance of the eq movement matching the natural resonance of the building. I think there may be some other videos of the Chch one that we haven't yet seen, as I expect that the council has suviallance cameras around the place. I wouldn't be surprirsed if there was a video of the cathedral tower coming down.

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#448070 13-Mar-2011 22:57

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mattwnz: It is reported at between 8.4 and 8.9, which i huge, but it was quite some distance away and under the sea. Also a tsunami advisory for NZ, but don't know when it will hit. Japanese modern buildings are largely built to withstand these, unlike the old building stock in Christchurch was, and Tokyo buildings look in to have held up well, so hopefully there won't be too many deaths. I think most deaths and damage may occur from the tsunamis. I think it must be one of the first times that tsunamis of this size have been captured on camera causing this sort of damage.

Well, it's not only that. According to what's on Wikipedia for both quakes, the ground acceleration was 2.2g (or 2.2 times the speed of gravity) for Christchurch. For Japan, it was only .35 due to the distance and depth of the quake. This means that the ground was shaking much more violently during the Christchurch quake. Although their buildings are more modern than ours, you likely would have seen simillar scenes of destruction under the same conditions. The tsunami is the killer for Japan, not the quake.

You could see in the videos, that the amount of movement in the offices in Tokyo was nowhere near the same amount that occurred in the christchurch videos. The christcurch movement may have also been amplified by the liquifaction, and the medium rise buildings possibily collapsed due to the reasonance of the eq movement matching the natural resonance of the building. I think there may be some other videos of the Chch one that we haven't yet seen, as I expect that the council has suviallance cameras around the place. I wouldn't be surprirsed if there was a video of the cathedral tower coming down.

Would be rather eery to watch those vids.  At the same time though, I would like to see them.

I don't want to take away from what's happening in Japan as it is truly tragic, but the way some of the media is shrugging Christchurch's earthquake off as "insignificant" now based on the magnitude ratings is a little frustrating to read. I wish the defacto method of reporting the strength of a quake was in a form that represented the true intensity of the quake for the population.  Of course, there's also those now saying that our standards are poor as we had mass devestation from a "smaller" quake. The magnitude rating for Christchurch's Feb quake hides the true power of the quake :(

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#448073 13-Mar-2011 23:09

Obraik:
I don't want to take away from what's happening in Japan as it is truly tragic, but the way some of the media is shrugging Christchurch's earthquake off as "insignificant" now based on the magnitude ratings is a little frustrating to read. I wish the defacto method of reporting the strength of a quake was in a form that represented the true intensity of the quake for the population. Of course, there's also those now saying that our standards are poor as we had mass devestation from a "smaller" quake. The magnitude rating for Christchurch's Feb quake hides the true power of the quake :(

The media really should be using the Mercalli intensity scale, as teh ricter scale is pretty misleading when talking about how an earthquake is experienced. I think the Christchurch one using this scale, would be a more than was experienced in Japan, although some places in Japan look to have been badly hit by the earthquake and then the tsunami, and then the radiation. I think the media are more interested int eh Japan one due to teh tsunami footage, and then the nuclear meltdown potential.

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#448076 13-Mar-2011 23:43

This is actually a good comparison of the shaking intensity:

Sendai, Japan:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv4BUr9ruQI

Christchurch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-fm_AXlJ-M

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#448078 13-Mar-2011 23:55

Interesting comments by all.

The Japan earthquake was massively more violent than Chch as the numbers say above. But the issue is that our quake was here and shallow, rather than 150km away and 24km deep. As stated above the shaking here was more violent. I have a friend in Tokyo at the moment and you can compare the in-building videos.

Buildings and standards wise, NZ is at the top of the world as is Japan. Here though, our old and heritage brick buildings do not comply, and we can regrettably see the result.

What is tragic, and that isnt a strong enough word, is the tsunami. You can see before and after images at CNN, it is horrendous. I feel the issue now is not rescue, although I hope they save who they can, or recovery, as many areas and towns have been literally removed. The issue I feel is keeping the homeless alive. So many, and no power, no fuel, no food and difficulty in transport as the water isn't going to just dran away to see, it will sit there.

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#448082 14-Mar-2011 00:14

tdgeek: Interesting comments by all.

The Japan earthquake was massively more violent than Chch as the numbers say above. But the issue is that our quake was here and shallow, rather than 150km away and 24km deep. As stated above the shaking here was more violent. I have a friend in Tokyo at the moment and you can compare the in-building videos.

Buildings and standards wise, NZ is at the top of the world as is Japan. Here though, our old and heritage brick buildings do not comply, and we can regrettably see the result.

What is tragic, and that isnt a strong enough word, is the tsunami. You can see before and after images at CNN, it is horrendous. I feel the issue now is not rescue, although I hope they save who they can, or recovery, as many areas and towns have been literally removed. The issue I feel is keeping the homeless alive. So many, and no power, no fuel, no food and difficulty in transport as the water isn't going to just dran away to see, it will sit there.

Prayers to them all

The quake was more powerful in the amount of energy it released, but the majority of that was released out under the sea and resulted in the tsunami. The actual effects on the land was not as violent as what was experienced in Christchurch.

As for the heritage buildings, I agree. While it's not what many want to hear, but I'm a full supporter of taking drastic action against those buildings by demolishing them and then rebuilding them in a way that complies with building standards. Repairing them as they stand is really a bad idea and Feb 22 should have taught us that lesson - a number of contractors were injured/killed while trying to repair these buildings from the September quake when the Feb quake struck. It's all well and good to have heritage buildings, but it's a bit pointless when they can take the lives of people.

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#448089 14-Mar-2011 01:52

[The quake was more powerful in the amount of energy it released, but the majority of that was released out under the sea and resulted in the tsunami. The actual effects on the land was not as violent as what was experienced in Christchurch.]

Thats what I said

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#448633 15-Mar-2011 17:51

First, I wish Japan my best.

The nuclear crisis in Japan might be much more severe than we think.

Watch all those videos,
http://rt.com/news/officials-explosion-fukoshima-claims/

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#448668 15-Mar-2011 19:38

Cululu: First, I wish Japan my best.

The nuclear crisis in Japan might be much more severe than we think.

Watch all those videos,

http://rt.com/news/officials-explosion-fukoshima-claims/

I see the NZ TV news media is hyping up the nuclear issue to just about hysterical proportions. Some time I wonder if there was an earth quake and tidal wave in Japan just a nuke problem..

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#448781 16-Mar-2011 09:07

From 2degrees today:

2degrees provides customers currently roaming in Japan with free calling and texting

Customers with friends and family in Japan given 60 minutes of free calling

2degrees has given free credit to its customers who are currently in Japan or have made calls to Japan over the past 30 days.

Chief Executive Eric Hertz says the credit was added to customers’ accounts this morning, so all they need to do is pick up their phone to contact friends and loved ones.

“We know that many of our customers are in Japan right now, or have friends, family and whanau in Japan right now. We hope that this will help them to keep in touch with loved ones during this difficult time.”

2degrees customers who have roamed on a network in Japan over the past four days have automatically been given $50 credit, allowing them to call and text friends and family without worry.

In addition, 2degrees customers who have made a phone call to Japan from New Zealand over the past 30 days haveautomatically been given 60 free minutes to make calls to Japan by March 31.

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#448789 16-Mar-2011 09:45

old3eyes:

I see the NZ TV news media is hyping up the nuclear issue to just about hysterical proportions. Some time I wonder if there was an earth quake and tidal wave in Japan just a nuke problem..

it is actually a real problem in Japan. yesterday, the INES scale used to describe the nuclear event in Japan was at level 6. so far, the highest radiation recorded at fukushima was at 400mSv per hour. maximum safe dose for acute exposure in 24 hours to give no effect to human is at 250mSv per day. in a year, we normally receive only 2.4mSv per year.

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#448810 16-Mar-2011 10:19

From Telecom New Zealand:

TELECOM TO CREDIT LANDLINE CALLS TO JAPAN

Telecom has today announced it will credit all residential customers’ landline calls to Japan. This includes calls made from landline to landline and landline to Japanese mobile phones.
The credit will apply to calls made from midday Friday 11 March, to midnight Sunday 13 March, and will be applied to customers’ accounts in their next billing.

Alan Gourdie, Telecom Retail CEO, said it was important for people to be able to communicate with family and friends in a time of crisis.

“As we have recently experienced a severe earthquake in our own country, we know only too well how essential it is for people to be able to connect easily with loved ones in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy. Telecom is therefore crediting all landline calling to Japan for the two days following the disaster,” said Mr Gourdie.

Telecom is also assisting members of New Zealand’s Urban Search and Rescue (USAR) team who are using Telecom mobiles in Japan.

Roaming credit will be applied so USAR team members can stay connected with family and friends in New Zealand while they assist in Japan’s recovery effort.

Japan’s telecommunication networks remain under strain following Friday’s earthquake and tsunami, so people should be patient and keep their calls short where possible, particularly when calling Japan’s worst
affected areas.

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#449498 18-Mar-2011 10:10

From Vodafone:

Following last Friday’s devastating events in Japan, Vodafone has announced it will credit all its New Zealand customers’ calls and TXT’s to Japan. This includes mobile and residential calls made to landlines and Japanese mobile phones. The retrospective credit will apply to calls and TXT’s made from midnight Thursday 10 March, to midnight Sunday 13 March, and will be applied to customers’ accounts in their next bill.

Justin Caswell, Vodafone General Manager of Marketing, says it is vitally important for people to be able to communicate with family and friends in a time of crisis.

“Our thoughts are with those affected by this terrible crisis in Japan. As we have just experienced in our own country these types of events affect people in so many different ways. We know that many of our customers are in Japan right now, or have friends and family in Japan. We hope that these measures will help them to keep in touch during this difficult time.”

In addition Vodafone has credited all its customers who were roaming in Japan on 11 March. On Monday Prepay customers were credited with $100 towards the cost of their calls and On Account customers will be credited with any roaming costs incurred between 11 -17 March.

Several hundred Vodafone customers were in Japan at the time of the earthquake and they were immediately contacted and provided with contact details for the New Zealand Embassy and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

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