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#1043079 13-May-2014 15:06

Geektastic: I prefer the gentlemanly pursuit of fly fishing for trout and salmon. dry fly only, of course - lures are cheating.

Particularly due to the odd and inexplicable rule here that prevents trout from being sold. Not one person I have asked has managed to give me a logical and sane reason for that.

Logical reason = Fish stock preservation.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1043138 13-May-2014 16:59

Geektastic: Reservoirs are excellent places to stock with trout and sell day tickets for fishing. Makes the water companies a fortune in the UK!

Lakes and rivers in NZ were excellent places for acclimatisation societies to stock with trout.

Licenses are sold to pay leases on the river/lakebeds, maintain stocks and prevent overfishing.

Makes the country a fortune in fishing tourism..

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#1043305 13-May-2014 22:39

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Geektastic: Reservoirs are excellent places to stock with trout and sell day tickets for fishing. Makes the water companies a fortune in the UK!

Lakes and rivers in NZ were excellent places for acclimatisation societies to stock with trout.

Licenses are sold to pay leases on the river/lakebeds, maintain stocks and prevent overfishing.

Makes the country a fortune in fishing tourism..

Yes. Same as Britain and the USA. The River Test in Hampshire, for example, is renowned as some of the finest chalk stream fishing in the world. Trout fisherman travel from all around the world and will pay up to $5,000 a day to fish the best beats. Selling trout in Tescos has no appreciable effect on that....!

I still don't see why stocking man made lakes or cages with reared trout and selling them for either fishermen to catch or supermarkets/restaurants to sell has any impact on that whatsoever. People still fish for salmon here, yet we have a thriving salmon farming industry.

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#1043546 14-May-2014 11:24

Geektastic:
Yes. Same as Britain and the USA. The River Test in Hampshire, for example, is renowned as some of the finest chalk stream fishing in the world. Trout fisherman travel from all around the world and will pay up to $5,000 a day to fish the best beats. Selling trout in Tescos has no appreciable effect on that....!

I still don't see why stocking man made lakes or cages with reared trout and selling them for either fishermen to catch or supermarkets/restaurants to sell has any impact on that whatsoever. People still fish for salmon here, yet we have a thriving salmon farming industry.

The rules we have against the sale of trout in particular are an evolution of the initial acclimatisation societies stocking regimes and rules, and a way of managing stocks and disease in fisheries.

The species you mentioned that can legally be sold, are grown and farmed in completely different ways.

Oysters and Mussels for instance, are filter feeding bivalves.
Their extensive farming and feeding on naturally occurring foods cannot be compared in any way to intensive finfish farming.

Salmon farming is a destructive, disease prone, disaster-in-waiting that shouldn't have been allowed in New Zealand.

To achieve viable growout rates net caged salmon are intensively fed on protein rich pellets made from wild ocean harvested products.
It's a wasteful cycle with a terrible conversion rate.
Antibiotics are loaded into the food supply in an effort to prevent disease spreading among the tightly packed fish.

The plumes of waste from these farms destroy the surrounding environment and load the water with antibiotic resistant pathogens, creating a vicious circle as higher levels and different types of antibiotic are required.
Disease spread into wild stocks is partially prevented by physical locations far from recreational fisheries, something not possible with freshwater trout farming.
Easily spread parasites like whirling disease could wipe out our whole trout fishery.

Sanford – NZ's largest fishing co- and others, have been lobbying for quite a while that trout farming and commercial sale be allowed.
New Zealand has a remarkably disease free trout fishery, and a limited genetic pool of mainly Rainbow, Brown and rarer Brook Trout which would be easily put at risk by disease.

Also unlike salmon, trout are still very edible while spawning, and easy to catch.

With the small number of enforcement folks, thinly spread over a lot of small, often isolated spawning streams and rivers, large numbers of fish are already poached for private use.

Given a monetary incentive there wouldn't be much of a recreational trout fishery left. Which would be a damn shame. I like my fly fishing!

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