Deer killer sentenced to watch Bambi. What sentences would you like to impose?

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#2148887 21-Dec-2018 15:12

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Maybe they are seeing those forms of punishment as a deterrent in itself, so people think more before committing a crime. For some 10 years in jail is a vacation seeing family or friends or doing work for their groups.

This only works with people who do actually think before acting. I suspect they are in the minority. Offenders who make a thought out choice to commit violent crime disconcert me more than impulsive idiots.

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#2148888 21-Dec-2018 15:13

Rikkitic:

This is an old argument that goes nowhere. Either you are a civilised being who finds the taking of all human life abhorrent, or you are not. This thread is not about taking life, or torture, or getting even. It is about creative punishments that might make wrong-doers think twice. I guess there is less creativity on Geekzone than I would have thought.

If you discount torture, murder, neglect etc then you run out of options pretty soon and you are left with housing them in a cage for many years on end at your own cost.
Like you said yourself, This argument goes nowhere.

Anyway, I will conclude with my best recommendation and that is using a time teleportation machine to send them back to their birth and try again at life.

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#2148890 21-Dec-2018 15:17

Rikkitic:

This is an old argument that goes nowhere. Either you are a civilised being who finds the taking of all human life abhorrent, or you are not. This thread is not about taking life, or torture, or getting even. It is about creative punishments that might make wrong-doers think twice. I guess there is less creativity on Geekzone than I would have thought.

Also, more than one definition of civilised.

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#2148893 21-Dec-2018 15:19

Geektastic:

Also, more than one definition of civilised.

I doubt yours would appeal to me.

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#2148941 21-Dec-2018 16:06

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I'm all for keeping the most dangerous offenders away from society for the rest of there lives (in order to protect the public), but what good comes from what you suggest (torture etc)?

Mostly so they suffer like their victims and their victims families suffer. I'm assuming you've never had to experience the lifelong effects of murder, rape, child abuse, etc or watch a close friend or family member suffer with it, because I can't imagine you'd have the views you do if you had. Imagine if your mother, your sister, your daughter was the victim, and you spent your entire life seeing them suffer. I have, and whatever possible punishment the offenders could suffer, it's still not enough to tip the scales of justice, but it's a start.

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#2148942 21-Dec-2018 16:11

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Mostly so they suffer like their victims and their victims families suffer. I'm assuming you've never had to experience the lifelong effects of murder, rape, child abuse, etc or watch a close friend or family member suffer with it, because I can't imagine you'd have the views you do if you had. Imagine if your mother, your sister, your daughter was the victim, and you spent your entire life seeing them suffer. I have, and whatever possible punishment the offenders could suffer, it's still not enough to tip the scales of justice, but it's a start.

If you have I'm very sorry you had to go through something like that but I still don't think your approach solves anything. That is my sincere belief.

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#2148947 21-Dec-2018 16:12

Rikkitic:

Either you are a civilised being who finds the taking of all human life abhorrent, or you are not.

Suggesting that any taking of human life no matter the circumstances is abhorrent and uncivilised is madness. So every soldier who served in WW2 fighting the Germans and Japanese was uncivilised and their actions abhorrent? Euthanasia is abhorrent and uncivilised? Their will always be situations where the taking of human life is not only justified but required to maintain a civilised society.

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#2148949 21-Dec-2018 16:17

Rikkitic:

Lias:

Mostly so they suffer like their victims and their victims families suffer. I'm assuming you've never had to experience the lifelong effects of murder, rape, child abuse, etc or watch a close friend or family member suffer with it, because I can't imagine you'd have the views you do if you had. Imagine if your mother, your sister, your daughter was the victim, and you spent your entire life seeing them suffer. I have, and whatever possible punishment the offenders could suffer, it's still not enough to tip the scales of justice, but it's a start.

If you have I'm very sorry you had to go through something like that but I still don't think your approach solves anything. That is my sincere belief.

Many victims and their families would get a sense of relief or closure knowing that the offender was either dead or locked up and suffering for the rest of their lives. I think that alone justifies it, but you also have the protection of the rest of society, the deterrent to others, etc.

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#2148969 21-Dec-2018 16:34

Rikkitic:
Geektastic:

Also, more than one definition of civilised.

I doubt yours would appeal to me.

Fortunately, you aren't the arbiter of civilisation.

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#2148972 21-Dec-2018 16:41

Lias:

Suggesting that any taking of human life no matter the circumstances is abhorrent and uncivilised is madness. So every soldier who served in WW2 fighting the Germans and Japanese was uncivilised and their actions abhorrent? Euthanasia is abhorrent and uncivilised? Their will always be situations where the taking of human life is not only justified but required to maintain a civilised society.

This is not a subject suitable for two-line posts and it is not the appropriate forum. Libraries filled with books cannot cover every aspect or exigency. Of course there will always be special cases. As it happens, I do not regard warfare as one. I think it is horrific and barbaric and ultimately inexcusable. I don't care what anyone else thinks about this and I am not interested in getting into a debate about it. Yes I am prepared to murder for the sake of self-defense. No I do not think that justifies it.

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#2149949 24-Dec-2018 11:56

Lias:

Mostly so they suffer like their victims and their victims families suffer. I'm assuming you've never had to experience the lifelong effects of murder, rape, child abuse, etc or watch a close friend or family member suffer with it, because I can't imagine you'd have the views you do if you had. Imagine if your mother, your sister, your daughter was the victim, and you spent your entire life seeing them suffer. I have, and whatever possible punishment the offenders could suffer, it's still not enough to tip the scales of justice, but it's a start.

You're right, I haven't experienced this and am very sorry that you and your family has. I won't pretend to know how an experience like this might change my opinions.

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#2149956 24-Dec-2018 12:22

Lias:

Paul1977:

I'm all for keeping the most dangerous offenders away from society for the rest of there lives (in order to protect the public), but what good comes from what you suggest (torture etc)?

Mostly so they suffer like their victims and their victims families suffer. I'm assuming you've never had to experience the lifelong effects of murder, rape, child abuse, etc or watch a close friend or family member suffer with it, because I can't imagine you'd have the views you do if you had. Imagine if your mother, your sister, your daughter was the victim, and you spent your entire life seeing them suffer. I have, and whatever possible punishment the offenders could suffer, it's still not enough to tip the scales of justice, but it's a start.

You are describing the fundamental principles Sharia law, the law that Isis & Saudi govern by.

Shall we give it a go here?

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html

http://theconversation.com/what-sharia-law-means-five-questions-answered-79325

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/explainer-what-is-sharia-law

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