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#1555884 20-May-2016 00:50

blakamin:
gzt: If this was the annoyance thread I would mention the occasional vaper user who thinks it is harmless to others. The lack of particulates etc is a positive compared to smoking, but it is still a somewhat stinky nicotine containing cloud.

They don't "think", they know, they research, because they used to be smokers. Nicotine gets absorbed. You'll probably find more in a potato.

How do you know that cloud contains nicotine? Some vapers, like @michaelmurfy, and myself, don't use nicotine.

Do you breathe out? Have you ever eaten garlic? Why do I have to breathe in YOUR exhaled breath.

I'd rather the smell of cinnamon baked cookies (my current flavour), than someone breathing garlic breath, or halitosis.

Have you ever stood next to someone wearing cologne? Excessive perfume? That's probably worse for you.

Vaping is saving lives. And not hurting yours.

If you like, you can probably even ask a doctor... @NZtechfreak

It was not a post against vaping although I can see how you might take it that way. I am not saying every vaper vapes this way etc.

The kind of vaping I am specifically objecting to looks a lot like smoking. The vaper exhales/blows a cloud or directed stream depending on lung capacity.

This is not normal breathing. The problem is actually cinnamon flavor + potentially as you point out garlic + halitosis etc being blown at some velocity and volume.

It is not a question of better than smoking. It is a question usually of the vaper inappropriately using in an environment that does not permit smoking or where smoking is inappropriate. Yet the vaper believes incorrectly that there is no negative impact on others because it is not smoking.

Nice response from NZtechfreak : ).

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#1555886 20-May-2016 01:54

Nice post @NZtechfreak - pretty-much sums up what I thought.

Regarding what @blakamin said I have 2 sorts of liquid - 3mg and 0mg, either max VG (for those massive clouds) or a VG/PG blend depending on what I am doing. I know the exact ingredients in the liquid I use and never buy cheap, crappy liquid for my own health. I am also one for being cautious of who is around me when I am vaping even if I am just vaping 0mg non-nicotine liquid and one night the wind blew my vapour in the direction of some non-smokers, I went up to them and apologised and to my surprise they said "that smelt bloody good, what is it?"

In general though I vape indoors (because it dissipates very quickly and doesn't leave any smell) and even vape my sub-ohm builds indoors. I never vape around my sister unless if it is outdoors and am respectful of others. I mainly do it to get outside for a break outside of the office.

I now can't stand the smell/taste of cigarettes but just me vaping 0mg liquid has helped others in quitting as they always ask me about it, and I bet this is why my suppliers always send business cards with my order ;) - there are people who smoke then there are people who smoke without regard to others around them and to be honest those people are the worst. Even when I was a smoker I would always go away from the non-smokers or ensure they were not getting any second-hand smoke because, gross.

No I don't agree in banning it however advertising a solution such as vaping with approved / controlled liquid could be a good option. Since vaping can be a good stepping stone to quitting completely it has the potential to get more people quitting however I can also see why they didn't do this since it is easy to buy crappy liquid with unknown ingredients, colouring or even also the uneducated trying builds and having Lithium ION batteries explode on them. There are some good starter kits out there to those thinking about quitting however to be honest the person that got me to take up vaping was actually @blakamin after I saw some of his tweets years ago.

My main suggestion is unless if you've been through addiction yourself then banning is not an option to suggest however offering healthier alternatives is.

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#1555892 20-May-2016 03:07

networkn:

100% support the banning of smoking. Disgusting habit with zero positives from either a social or health perspective.

We discriminate on it as part of our recruitment process.

1: My smoking stops me from punching stupid people in the face for being stupid so there's atleast one social positive

2: I don't think that's legal I'm pretty sure your not allowed to discriminate against a person because they choose to smoke

aslong as they're no doing it in a customers face while working there shouldn't be a problem

and sure don't allow them to smoke in a work vehicle or the work place that's fine and dandy but outright discrimination because they're a smoker you may find is not legal

3: Do you also discriminate against people who drink alcohol or tea or coffee they're all a drug

and to any of you who bemoan the heavy cost to the hospitals can sod off we pay through the nose for it with the around 70%+ tax on tobacco just remember "IF" it's banned where's the govt going to get 100 million + a year in tax

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#1555895 20-May-2016 03:26

mudguard:

The comparisons with cigarettes and alcohol are always interesting. The difference between a beer and a cigarette is that you could sit and drink a beer within 10 feet of me and it has no affect on me. However if I was to smoke a cigarette, it can be 'enjoyed' by people on the other side of the room.

I used to work in hospo when I was a student at the time the phased it out in pubs. I couldn't believe the difference in how I felt. I would arrive at work and my nose would instantly block whenever there was cigarette smoke, I've no idea why. We used to sell cigars too. Then the law changed, and it was a much more pleasant environment to work in. Took about 6 months to sell the last of the cigars and was awkward explaining to Americans who were delighted to find Cuban cigars, that, no, they couldn't smoke them in the bar where they'd bought them.

LOL As a security guard who works at local clubs I can safely say that I've never seen a person want to smack somebody in the mouth after having a cigarette or 6 but I can say I have seen it after they've had a beer or six

I agree with the smoke outside laws but that's about it if I'm outside having a smoke and you stand next to me and then complain about me smoking then you're the one who needs to sod off away from me

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#1555911 20-May-2016 07:45

Geektastic: Any connection between the curry and going into labour?!

Quite possibly. The baby was overdue and the obstetrician suggested a good hot curry might get things moving, otherwise we were looking at inducing. It could be totally coincidental, but we think there might have been something in it.

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#1555914 20-May-2016 07:50

andrew027:
Geektastic: Any connection between the curry and going into labour?!

Quite possibly. The baby was overdue and the obstetrician suggested a good hot curry might get things moving, otherwise we were looking at inducing. It could be totally coincidental, but we think there might have been something in it.

Curry often gets things moving........

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#1555930 20-May-2016 08:36

gzt:
blakamin:
gzt: If this was the annoyance thread I would mention the occasional vaper user who thinks it is harmless to others. The lack of particulates etc is a positive compared to smoking, but it is still a somewhat stinky nicotine containing cloud.

They don't "think", they know, they research, because they used to be smokers. Nicotine gets absorbed. You'll probably find more in a potato.

How do you know that cloud contains nicotine? Some vapers, like @michaelmurfy, and myself, don't use nicotine.

Do you breathe out? Have you ever eaten garlic? Why do I have to breathe in YOUR exhaled breath.

I'd rather the smell of cinnamon baked cookies (my current flavour), than someone breathing garlic breath, or halitosis.

Have you ever stood next to someone wearing cologne? Excessive perfume? That's probably worse for you.

Vaping is saving lives. And not hurting yours.

If you like, you can probably even ask a doctor... @NZtechfreak

It was not a post against vaping although I can see how you might take it that way. I am not saying every vaper vapes this way etc.

The kind of vaping I am specifically objecting to looks a lot like smoking. The vaper exhales/blows a cloud or directed stream depending on lung capacity.

This is not normal breathing. The problem is actually cinnamon flavor + potentially as you point out garlic + halitosis etc being blown at some velocity and volume.

It is not a question of better than smoking. It is a question usually of the vaper inappropriately using in an environment that does not permit smoking or where smoking is inappropriate. Yet the vaper believes incorrectly that there is no negative impact on others because it is not smoking.

Nice response from NZtechfreak : ).

Ahhh, sorry, I apologise for jumping the gun. I get what you're saying, and after 5 years and a lot of misinformation (mainly from people that smoke), I tend to get a bit defensive. I'm like the others, I don't vape where you can't smoke, and am extremely wary of others.

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#1555941 20-May-2016 09:07

If we ban smoking are we going to ban alcohol as well, both cause major health issues to the public.

Smoking = second hand smoke

Alcohol = Road deaths & domestic abuse.

While I would love to see a happier and healthier population if we start down this path we become a nanny state and our rights slowly disappear. Hiking the prices doesn't fix the problem either it just affects the lower classes and causes parents to make poor decisions with their money and potentially skip food for smokes.

I've heard lots of people complain every time the price of cigarettes goes up and they swear that with the next increase they will stop, none do and thats because its an addiction.

This situation is a mess and requires some really creative thinking to come up with a solution.

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#1555946 20-May-2016 09:18

BTR:

If we ban smoking are we going to ban alcohol as well, both cause major health issues to the public.

I'm ok with that!

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#1555947 20-May-2016 09:19

Athlonite:

networkn:

100% support the banning of smoking. Disgusting habit with zero positives from either a social or health perspective.

We discriminate on it as part of our recruitment process.

1: My smoking stops me from punching stupid people in the face for being stupid so there's atleast one social positive

2: I don't think that's legal I'm pretty sure your not allowed to discriminate against a person because they choose to smoke

aslong as they're no doing it in a customers face while working there shouldn't be a problem

and sure don't allow them to smoke in a work vehicle or the work place that's fine and dandy but outright discrimination because they're a smoker you may find is not legal

3: Do you also discriminate against people who drink alcohol or tea or coffee they're all a drug

and to any of you who bemoan the heavy cost to the hospitals can sod off we pay through the nose for it with the around 70%+ tax on tobacco just remember "IF" it's banned where's the govt going to get 100 million + a year in tax

Sounds like you don't need cigarettes, you need anger management counselling.

Smokers are not a protected class. People who smoke, even when they aren't at work, still smell bad.

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#1555949 20-May-2016 09:21

networkn:

BTR:

If we ban smoking are we going to ban alcohol as well, both cause major health issues to the public.

I'm ok with that!

good for you But I on the other hand enjoy the occasional beer or Bourbon and I like having a smoke if this annoys you then so be it you don't see me complaining about you not smoking or not drinking do you

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#1555956 20-May-2016 09:33

Athlonite:

networkn:

BTR:

If we ban smoking are we going to ban alcohol as well, both cause major health issues to the public.

I'm ok with that!

good for you But I on the other hand enjoy the occasional beer or Bourbon and I like having a smoke if this annoys you then so be it you don't see me complaining about you not smoking or not drinking do you

I'm having a really hard time taking you seriously, which I assume is how you intended that post anyways.

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#1555958 20-May-2016 09:35

reven:

same camp as most i think, its a disgusting habit, and you've got to be complete idiot to do it IMO.

however, policing this is just wrong. As suggested, if this is made illegal, then whats next? fastfood? one day eating meat?

I'm all for increasing tax on it to FULLY COVER the costs the medical costs etc the country needs to pay for people who get sick from smoking. If that means a box of cigarettes becomes $200 so be it. but no, don't out law it. Also perhaps restrict their sales so they're not easily available from diary's, supermarkets etc but maybe need to go to a specialty store (like west auckland does with alcohol).

Smokes to $200 a packet. Now there is a great idea...not.

As smoking is an addiction, increasing the price will maybe deter the smokers, but because of the addiction factor, they'll still buy them at maybe the cost of food\rent. I'm guessing those in the lower socio-economic levels of the community smoke (I have no numbers to back this up), but all I can see happening if you increase the price of a packet, is a increase in the suffering\poverty of children living in the lower socio-economic levels of the community.

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#1556014 20-May-2016 10:15

I would be happy to see smoking banned in any public places. It's unhealthy to bystanders, promotes/normalises smoking, and it's unpleasant to be around.

There is research (see US insurance research institute) that suggests smokers have a collision rate 150% higher than non-smokers. So there might be case for banning smoking while driving. It's also possible smoking is simply strongly correlated with other risk factors.

I have no problem at all with people smoking in their own property. The effect on their kids does concern me, but there are much more severe risks to kids than smoking. I would prefer to see tobacco remain legal and taxed heavily.

If we do wish to manage total cessation then an annual increase by one year of the age limit might do that, combined with an ongoing increase in taxation.

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#1556020 20-May-2016 10:20

MikeAqua:

I would be happy to see smoking banned in any public places. It's unhealthy to bystanders, promotes/normalises smoking, and it's unpleasant to be around.

There is research (see US insurance research institute) that suggests smokers have a collision rate 150% higher than non-smokers. So there might be case for banning smoking while driving. It's also possible smoking is simply strongly correlated with other risk factors.

I have no problem at all with people smoking in their own property. The effect on their kids does concern me, but there are much more severe risks to kids than smoking. I would prefer to see tobacco remain legal and taxed heavily.

If we do wish to manage total cessation then an annual increase by one year of the age limit might do that, combined with an ongoing increase in taxation.

Yeah I could live with that, a ban in public places and in cars where kids are.

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