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  #3398886 31-Jul-2025 19:05
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MikeAqua:

 

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(Very basic level) Fill your bath with water. Drop a stone in it close to one side. Ripple effect. Just because where you dropped the stone is on the other side of the bath does not mean any part of your bath avoids the ripple. 

 

I'm happy to know that "ripple" could be on its way, rather than have no notification and be out on a boat and have it come along, causing the boat to flip....

 

 

I think the scales are a little out of whack in your analogy.  The Pacific Ocean is vast, and we're at the opposite end from Russia.  Waves reduce in amplitude as they propagate out from a disturbance point.  That's because all the energy is being distributed across a lengthening wave front..  With enough distance, they dissipate altogether. A more accurate example would be something like: Throwing a jaffa (a giant jaffa if you're feeling bougie) in one end of a 25m swimming pool and seeing what the ripples are like at the shallow end.

 

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  #3398902 31-Jul-2025 20:33
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gzt: One phone on Spark. One on VodaOne. Both on WiFi calling. No alerts.

Emergency Mobile Alert uses cell reception and is not broadcast using Wi-fi calling <- Direct quote from civil defense


Makes sense. No location on WiFI or not sophisticated yet.

Is there an app with alerts?

No results in the Android store for Civil Defense NZ.

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  #3398904 31-Jul-2025 20:40
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gzt:Makes sense. No location on WiFI or not sophisticated yet.

Is there an app with alerts?

No results in the Android store for Civil Defense NZ.

 

 

 

No, it's just that it's not built for that. 'presidential alerts' /  sms-cb are a core cellular technology built in to mobiles, not added to/ontop of.

 

They're targeting devices who check in to networks. Which is Higher priority and more efficient than dealing with wifi technology.




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  #3398907 31-Jul-2025 20:46
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One of my phones gave me another one at about 9:30 when I had just got off the motorway on the way to work. Wonder if there was a spike in crashes at 6:30 when the needless one went out.


Later Android seems to know it's in a car and theoretically could behave appropriately if but etc.

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  #3398909 31-Jul-2025 20:54
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  #3398911 31-Jul-2025 21:05
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And some very poor justification in this article: https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360776581/why-civil-defence-issued-630am-tsunami-alert 

 

“Had Nema not issued this alert, people may have assumed the threat had passed and subsequently put themselves at risk in beach and marine areas”

 

The only reason for this was the poor comms that were sent in the 4pm alert, not notifying people to expect issues for the next 18-24 hours. I.e. the bath example above, of course the 'surge' was going to get here and bounce of South America they must have known this from the modeling a 4pm yesterday.

 

Emergency Management Minister Mark Mitchell told Stuff that potentially thousands of dog walkers and swimmers needed to urgently receive that warning.

 

I'm sorry, but where has personal responsiblity gone?





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  #3398912 31-Jul-2025 21:08
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MikeAqua: The Pacific Ocean is vast, and we're at the opposite end from Russia.  Waves reduce in amplitude as they propagate out from a disturbance point.  That's because all the energy is being distributed across a lengthening wave front..  With enough distance, they dissipate altogether.

True enough except that initial waves may trigger less predictable events like submarine landslides with much greater effect on wave height.

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#3398913 31-Jul-2025 21:12
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mentalinc: I'm sorry, but where has personal responsiblity gone?

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  #3398915 31-Jul-2025 21:17
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Correct, but comparison with the 1960 Chile earthquake is a bit misleading.  The 1960 Chile earthquake (M9.5) was an order of magnitude larger than the recent Kamchatka event (M8.8) in terms of energy and seismic moment. Hugely different, as illustrated in the tsunami simulations below for the 1960 (M9.5) and 2010 (M8.8) earthquakes.

 

 

I remember clearly the 1960 Chile earthquake. I was eight years old and we lived In Karehana Bay, Plimmerton, one house back from the beach. On the day, we were told there was a chance of a ‘tidal wave’ but as kids we obviously had no understanding of what that was.

 

I recall all the kids in our area playing out in the street and talking about it. There was no attempt on the part of responsible adults to move to higher ground.

 

 Searching just now I see that it did affect NZ’s east coast that day - we were on the west.





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  #3398916 31-Jul-2025 21:20
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One of the many comms annoyances is the number of media references to NEMA when it does not have an app or even a website. Yeah I know it doesn't do that, but really it takes some time to figure that out. At least have a dns name and redirect it to CD or something.

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  #3398917 31-Jul-2025 21:26
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trig42:

 

I was listening to a Podcast in my car at 0630 this morning. Got a hell of a fright.

 

Didn't get any alerts last night, got the 0630 this morning (though, last night I was at home in Paeroa, this morning I was on the Southern Motorway in Auckland).

 

Carplay read out the alert for me.

 

 

Daughter was also on the Southern Motorway heading in to the city for work. Had just got to the Auckland side of Bombay at 06:30, when the alert interrupted the podcast she had playing. We received no alerts at all where we are in northern Waikato.





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  #3398919 31-Jul-2025 21:30
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The main attribution if you go looking is already via CDEM?

 

 

 

 


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  #3398921 31-Jul-2025 21:42
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What is this "main attribution" you speak of?

Edit: Ok they have a dns name which isn't anywhere. My question remains.

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So my iPhone once again received the alerts, but didn't play a sound. I have the alerts enabled, but it remained silent when the notification popped up. This happened last time we had an alert so I was fiddling with the settings trying to work out how to unsilence it, but no luck! 

 

 





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  #3399012 1-Aug-2025 08:51
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cddt:

 

So my iPhone once again received the alerts, but didn't play a sound. I have the alerts enabled, but it remained silent when the notification popped up. This happened last time we had an alert so I was fiddling with the settings trying to work out how to unsilence it, but no luck! 

 

 

Let me know if you find the setting to un-silence it. I would like to do the opposite!


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