Why I won't be buying from PB Tech

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#2163247 18-Jan-2019 14:48

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nathan:

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NzBeagle: There are occasions where the front vehicle can be charged for dangerous/reckless driving (or something to that effect) if they do something stupid, eg brake check a vehicle. Not sure if that gets the following vehicle off the hook though.

This is the correct answer. If you brake check other cars and it causes an accident, not only can you both be charged for dangerous/reckless driving (depending on the severity of the accident) but more importantly, when your insurance company is shown footage of you intentionally causing the accident by brake checking (or coming to a stop for no appropriate reason), they can and will refuse to cover you. All insurance policies have a clause regarding "intentional" accidents. Before dash cameras became mainstream it was very difficult for your own insurer to prove you intentionally caused an accident. If the other party submits dash camera footage of you intentionally brake checking, you will not be covered. Brake checking is considered dangerous driving by the Police. If someone is tail gating, you can pull over, or call *555, but don't take the matter into your own hands.

the driver in front could argue they are a Buddhist and stopped to avoid the dog/fly/moth they were about to hit and murder.

You're underestimating the field of view and quality that these new dash cameras capture at. We're talking buttery smooth crystal clear 1080p 60FPS and these latest units are doing 4K 30FPS.. A Moth, fly? Sure. Dog, nope. You can clearly see if the car was stopping to avoid a child, dog, cat or what have you.

Sufficiently off topic, you may want to consider starting a new post?

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#2163252 18-Jan-2019 14:52

This is the off topic forum is it not? Just kidding.

Here's the Dashcam 2018 thread for anyone who wishes to keep discussing DashCams..

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=162&topicid=228727

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#2163268 18-Jan-2019 15:19

What ever the case is, PB Tech's advertising worked wonders.
We were discussing Ethics and now we are discussing 4K dash cams and all these wonderful items PBTech have on sale right now :)

You happy @NikT ?

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#2163477 18-Jan-2019 23:37

Video has gone from their youtube now anyway :(

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#2163500 19-Jan-2019 06:27

dafman:

it's not the sense of humor I take exception to.

It's that PB Tech surreptitiously published video of members of the public, without their knowledge, and purposely set out to ridicule and belittle them in the process. If they had used actors, then no problem.

If you're going to take the moral high ground over this than you might want to reconsider buying electronics that are manufactured in farm factories like a lot of smartphones. From what I've seen they do a lot worse. Clothing sweatshops who exploit child labor, that's a big problem, far worse than what you think PB Tech has done.

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#2163613 19-Jan-2019 10:56

Dial111:

dafman:

it's not the sense of humor I take exception to.

It's that PB Tech surreptitiously published video of members of the public, without their knowledge, and purposely set out to ridicule and belittle them in the process. If they had used actors, then no problem.

If you're going to take the moral high ground over this than you might want to reconsider buying electronics that are manufactured in farm factories like a lot of smartphones. From what I've seen they do a lot worse. Clothing sweatshops who exploit child labor, that's a big problem, far worse than what you think PB Tech has done.

This not a thread about other companies, electronics factories, moral high grounds or anything else- it's about PB Tech ridiculing and belittling a member of the public in an advertising stunt. I've decided that this is not a company I want to support going forward; others will make their own mind up.

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#2163689 19-Jan-2019 12:53

dafman:

This not a thread about other companies, electronics factories, moral high grounds or anything else- it's about PB Tech ridiculing and belittling a member of the public in an advertising stunt. I've decided that this is not a company I want to support going forward; others will make their own mind up.

On that topic- yes, the joke about dropping some weight is quite off colour. However, the use of the video in itself is perfectly reasonable and legal - you have no implicit or explicit right to privacy in a public setting, and while PB Tech was under no obligation to blur out faces, they did so anyway.

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#2163693 19-Jan-2019 13:10

Kyanar:

On that topic- yes, the joke about dropping some weight is quite off colour.

They were clearly referring to the front grill.

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#2163694 19-Jan-2019 13:12

Kyanar:

dafman:

This not a thread about other companies, electronics factories, moral high grounds or anything else- it's about PB Tech ridiculing and belittling a member of the public in an advertising stunt. I've decided that this is not a company I want to support going forward; others will make their own mind up.

On that topic- yes, the joke about dropping some weight is quite off colour. However, the use of the video in itself is perfectly reasonable and legal - you have no implicit or explicit right to privacy in a public setting, and while PB Tech was under no obligation to blur out faces, they did so anyway.

Are you sure? I recall something in the Privacy Act about needing conscent to use a photo for commercial reasons even one taken in public. One of our legal professionals should be able to clarify that. @dejadeadnz

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2163746 19-Jan-2019 15:42

dafman:

This not a thread about other companies, electronics factories, moral high grounds or anything else.

No its not, but will you reconsider how you purchase in the future based off knowing big corps are far worse at exploiting people than PB Tech?? or are you just making a song and dance over PB tech.

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#2163838 19-Jan-2019 20:58

PB Tech did the wrong thing. Perhaps not legally, but morally (IMHO), in using a video of persons from which they did not seek permission from, and in a shaming manor. Despite it creating a talking point (as I am sure they were hoping) It speaks to the ethicacy of the company and is now not a company I will deal with. Despite what they would have us believe, not all advertising is good advertising.

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#2164416 20-Jan-2019 19:13

This thread just reminds me that some snowflakes will get offended by literally anything...

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#2164499 21-Jan-2019 03:05

But you will still watch your buddies newshub who stole the video, illegal under any copyright law in the world. Yes, the either illegally downloaded the whole thing (copied it) illegally or screen recorded (the whole thing). Put it in a commercial player the whole video copied and made a tonne of cash illegally from advertising until I called them out. Oh and it was all my fault for doing that because after I did that and posted it on twitter asking why they were funding their staff wages in copyright theft. They removed it in 5 minutes then about 1 hour later they started with the advertising complaint video and remaking the video trying to stick with the law. Now, who is worse I would say the staff members and editors who know darn well they are funding their own wages in pbtechs stolen income. I am fully aware of defamation and I have all the proof I need to prove to any judge I am telling the truth. At least Pbtech is trying to make an honest dollar while making a mistake but newshub are like the gang down the road selling stolen goods. I would rather get my news from honest people who are not funded in copyright theft. These are the people who thrashed JOhn key and Kim dot com to death while stealing everyone's copyright. HEre is the original tweet from me when the video was in full in a commercial player on their website https://twitter.com/_YouOriginal/status/1085676387309019136 I say carry on buying at least they were making an honest dollar and boycott those who steal for a living. Go get your news from any other news outlet who is not into copyright theft. Oh and notice they have stopped and next week they will not be stealing anyone's videos because I will be screen reordering them in full with advertising and posting every single one to YOuTube with the title "newshubs caught red-handed stealing incomes from content creators." I have already told NEwshub it is not illegal in NZ, to tell the truth.

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#2164504 21-Jan-2019 06:37

barwatch:
But you will still watch your buddies newshub who stole the video, illegal under any copyright law in the world. Yes, the either illegally downloaded the whole thing (copied it) illegally or screen recorded (the whole thing). Put it in a commercial player the whole video copied and made a tonne of cash illegally from advertising until I called them out. Oh and it was all my fault for doing that because after I did that and posted it on twitter asking why they were funding their staff wages in copyright theft. They removed it in 5 minutes then about 1 hour later they started with the advertising complaint video and remaking the video trying to stick with the law. Now, who is worse I would say the staff members and editors who know darn well they are funding their own wages in pbtechs stolen income. I am fully aware of defamation and I have all the proof I need to prove to any judge I am telling the truth. At least Pbtech is trying to make an honest dollar while making a mistake but newshub are like the gang down the road selling stolen goods. I would rather get my news from honest people who are not funded in copyright theft. These are the people who thrashed JOhn key and Kim dot com to death while stealing everyone's copyright. HEre is the original tweet from me when the video was in full in a commercial player on their website https://twitter.com/_YouOriginal/status/1085676387309019136 I say carry on buying at least they were making an honest dollar and boycott those who steal for a living. Go get your news from any other news outlet who is not into copyright theft. Oh and notice they have stopped and next week they will not be stealing anyone's videos because I will be screen reordering them in full with advertising and posting every single one to YOuTube with the title "newshubs caught red-handed stealing incomes from content creators." I have already told NEwshub it is not illegal in NZ, to tell the truth.

I literally just finished the Netflix doco on Roger Stone five minutes ago so maybe I’m overly-attuned to conspiracy theorising and the crazy world of such sites as Alex Jones’ Info Wars, but this post seems cut more from that cloth than the usual convo here on Geekzone!

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#2164539 21-Jan-2019 09:03

That's how they work there. They don't even have the decency to keep the videos looking any good, so for something trying to show how good a dashcam could look their take the video and munge it down to SD muck would do a lot of damage to the original uploaders image IMO.

What really annoys me is that if anyone not in the news media does that and takes a video off broadcast media, sticks it up on youtube with the only change being sticking their logo on it and calling it "reporting" that they would get a copyright strike against them.

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