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#2425221 22-Feb-2020 05:39

elpenguino: Such cases dont make the foreign press but the Millane case did.

This is why you're having difficulty finding anything...

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#2425279 22-Feb-2020 10:17

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elpenguino: Such cases dont make the foreign press but the Millane case did.

This is why you're having difficulty finding anything...

Which is why suppression orders are generally effective, this case notwithstanding.

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#2425287 22-Feb-2020 10:32

The fact that the overseas press isn’t interested in a case is not an illustration of the effectiveness of suppression orders.

The two are entirely unconnected.

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#2425315 22-Feb-2020 11:07

Geektastic:

The fact that the overseas press isn’t interested in a case is not an illustration of the effectiveness of suppression orders.

The two are entirely unconnected.

How can Google return the name if no body publishes it?

Suppression orders do not limit personal exchange of information but if I don't know someone who knows, how can I find out otherwise?

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#2425863 23-Feb-2020 13:00

elpenguino:

You say that, but Im abroad right now and I cant for the life of me find out who this prominent New Zealander accused of sexual assault and witness tampering is.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12040176

The article you quote is nearly a year old. So is everything else referencing this case. Did he get permanent suppression beyond the 20 days? Did the suppression get suppressed? Did the case and everything relating to it get sucked into a black hole? I don't know and I imagine no-one else does. He must be pretty prominent if he has that kind of pull.

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#2425899 23-Feb-2020 14:46

Or maybe the charges were dropped?

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#2425905 23-Feb-2020 15:13

Considering the particulars of the case, there surely would have been a news report of some kind if the charges had been dropped. Unless it was suppressed, of course.

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#2425969 23-Feb-2020 17:13

Why ?

If the charges are dropped because insufficient evidence you would get permanent name suppression to counter the theres no smoke without fire attitude your alluding to...

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#2425971 23-Feb-2020 17:29

I don't think so but I don't really know. Even without knowing the names, I would expect that there would be some kind of reporting that the whole thing was a huge mistake. However, if you look at the reports that were published a year ago, even the prominent businessman's butler testified that something bad had happened. It doesn't seem like a case of no smoke no fire.

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#2425974 23-Feb-2020 18:11

My personal take on it is why should this a-hole still get to keep his suppression? Grace's sexual history and everything about her and her background has been splashed everywhere, yet this creep gets to retain his privacy. How would it affect these "pending charges" he has?

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#2425980 23-Feb-2020 18:33

If there are further charges and disclosing his name let's this sh1t head riggle out of it then the suppression is valid in my view, but nothing beyond that.

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#2426000 23-Feb-2020 20:43

As above. Or naming him jeopardises the case against him (assuming further charges). Or it would further victimise a victim. Or to protect people (like children) who may be related/associated with him.

There are all sorts of reasons it may be given (or in this case retained). Including the other side of the coin - which I think will go down like a cup of sick here. The suppression can be to ensure that the defendant gets a fair trial. Generally you are prosecuted and trialled on each crime separately. Previous convictions may not be relevant or able to be disclosed.

If the Police/Crown are not opposing it then I imagine that they feel its better for the public and their case for the suppression to remain.

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#2426060 23-Feb-2020 22:43

afe66: Or maybe the charges were dropped?

Seems the trial was moved to the High Court ... "Two of the three defendants appeared at the High Court on Wednesday in front of Justice Simon Moore and a trial date was set for June 2, 2020."

So everything will still be suppressed quite strongly.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/112712099/trial-date-set-for-businessman-and-entertainer-on-perverting-course-of-justice-charges