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  #2710592 21-May-2021 10:32
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Rikkitic:

 

I can't speak for aliens, but research has demonstrated that sexually promiscuous Bonobos are far more socially advanced than their aggressive chimpanzee cousins (and us!). Human beings chain themselves with all kinds of ridiculous restrictions on uninhibited sexual behaviour and they pay the price with sexual frustration, resulting in wars, murder, slavery, economic exploitation, pillaging of natural resources, destruction of the environment, depression and suicide, and every other ill attributed by the superstitious to original sin.

 

  

 

You use "advanced" in a very anthropo-centric way. Species are all equally "advanced", except they have advanced in different directions. A chimpanzee would perhaps consider themselves more advanced than us because, although we've got weapons and technology and so on, humans haven't been able to develop sufficient aggression. Dolphins no doubt consider themselves more advanced, because humans have only a limited ability to muck about in oceans.

 

Attributing everything negative to sexual frustration is very Freudian, and Freud is nowadays an outlier in psychological thinking. Children who are too young to experience sexual frustration also exhibit aggression, covetousness, wrath, and a bunch of other deadly sin behaviour, so I don't think it's sexually based. I think susceptibility to these sins is either genetic, or learnt at a very young age. And a fair amount of effort goes into training children not to do what comes naturally.

 

 




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  #2710668 21-May-2021 11:23
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I said socially advanced. The first term defines the second. 

 

I can't speak authoritatively, but I would suggest that the sins of children would iron themselves out after they reach sexual maturity, if only they didn't have to deal with so much repression.

 

 





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  #2710781 21-May-2021 13:20
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Attributing everything negative to sexual frustration is very Freudian, and Freud is nowadays an outlier in psychological thinking. Children who are too young to experience sexual frustration also exhibit aggression, covetousness, wrath, and a bunch of other deadly sin behaviour, so I don't think it's sexually based. I think susceptibility to these sins is either genetic, or learnt at a very young age. And a fair amount of effort goes into training children not to do what comes naturally.

 

 

Where did anybody say "everything" negative?  A bit of time spent - as either a single man or woman - living in a country with a sexually repressive culture can be a pretty good education as to the harm that's done.

 

Susceptibility to "sin" being "genetic" sounds like regurgitation of the very weird "original sin" myth.

 

Most of the worst human behaviours, that ultimately result in war and genocide, are "learned" - taught to them by adults.




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  #2710859 21-May-2021 14:50
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[quoted] Fred99:

 

Where did anybody say "everything" negative?

 

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Fair comment. But I'm struggling to see the sexual repression origin of slavery or economic exploitation. They both seem to originate in greed, AFAICT.

 

 

A bit of time spent - as either a single man or woman - living in a country with a sexually repressive culture can be a pretty good education as to the harm that's done.

 

 

Like NZ in the 1970s, you mean. ;)

 

 

Susceptibility to "sin" being "genetic" sounds like regurgitation of the very weird "original sin" myth.

 

 

My point there was that the behaviour occurs early in life, long before sex is known about, let alone repressed. Parents aren't (intentionally) teaching their little darlings to be spiteful, greedy, violent brats. And yet by the age of 2 or so that's what they become. Surely they haven't learnt all of that despite the efforts of their parents?

 

 


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  #2710865 21-May-2021 15:06
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The NAVY? Wasn't it the (drunken) sailors who told us about sea monsters and lindworms? *g* As an airman, I can't neither confirm gremlins nor UFOs, maybe it's because I never drink and 'drive'.




     

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  #2710866 21-May-2021 15:13
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frankv:

 

My point there was that the behaviour occurs early in life, long before sex is known about, let alone repressed. Parents aren't (intentionally) teaching their little darlings to be spiteful, greedy, violent brats. And yet by the age of 2 or so that's what they become. Surely they haven't learnt all of that despite the efforts of their parents?

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure that is entirely true. I know reading I have done in the past indicates that very young children do experience sexual feelings, though not in the adult sense, and are keenly aware of their differences as boys and girls. Any expression of such feelings is also repressed at a very young age. I'm sure toddlers have plenty of sexual frustration, though it may not be seen as such. Maybe they are spiteful, greedy and violent for a reason.

 

 

 

 





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  #2710889 21-May-2021 15:57
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frankv:

 

Parents aren't (intentionally) teaching their little darlings to be spiteful, greedy, violent brats. And yet by the age of 2 or so that's what they become. Surely they haven't learnt all of that despite the efforts of their parents?

 

 

I'm not sure that's right either.

 

Having coached kid's sport from young (older than 2 of course), my observation is that some parents absolutely do teach their kids to be spiteful greedy brats.  And when challenged, (parents or kids) they'll become aggressive.  


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  #2710895 21-May-2021 17:13
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the aliens are here to inspect u lot.

 

make sure you drop your pants tonight. won't hurt. promise.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ufo-sightings-in-hawkes-bay-weather-expert-suggests-clouds-to-blame/RB4HL6YPLJKZBC3KFFGFHEON6Y/

 

 


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  #2710899 21-May-2021 17:31
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Batman:

 

the aliens are here to inspect u lot.

 

make sure you drop your pants tonight. won't hurt. promise.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ufo-sightings-in-hawkes-bay-weather-expert-suggests-clouds-to-blame/RB4HL6YPLJKZBC3KFFGFHEON6Y/

 

 

 

 

Hahhahaha:

 

UFOCUS NZ shared this image of the sightings for illustrative purposes only:

 

 

Is it mushroom season in Hawke's Bay?


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  #2710915 21-May-2021 18:50
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Would be good to end with funny references to probes. There is more to this discussion than crude jokes.




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  #2711214 22-May-2021 10:04
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Rikkitic:

 

Maybe they are spiteful, greedy and violent for a reason.

 

 

That is an accurate description of the human race.


 
 
 
 

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  #2711215 22-May-2021 10:13
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SJB:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Maybe they are spiteful, greedy and violent for a reason.

 

 

That is an accurate description of the human race.

 

 

Yes, because we are frustrated by ridiculous repressive social norms, dictated by religion and uptight prudes uncomfortable with their biological imperatives.

 

 





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  #2711219 22-May-2021 10:22
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First I see most publications are now using "unidentified aerial phenomenon" (UAP) instead of the loaded UFO.

 

In all likelihood these are not extra-terrestrial in nature. They are space debris burning down when falling into the atmosphere, birds flying in formation - have you noticed how all these "evidence" videos are always completely out-of-focus and you can barely see what is in there? Like those bigfoot photos. Seriously folks, with every crappy smartphone now having 20 megapixel cameras how can not one photo be clear?  





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  #2711243 22-May-2021 11:35
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Rikkitic:

 

Yes, because we are frustrated by ridiculous repressive social norms, dictated by religion and uptight prudes uncomfortable with their biological imperatives.

 

 

But we were like that before we had any of those things inflicted on us.


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  #2711255 22-May-2021 12:04
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SJB:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Yes, because we are frustrated by ridiculous repressive social norms, dictated by religion and uptight prudes uncomfortable with their biological imperatives.

 

 

But we were like that before we had any of those things inflicted on us.

 

 

Not everyone. There have been societies throughout history that were not at all like that.

 

 

 

 





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