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tweake
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  #3267112 1-Aug-2024 14:10
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update:

 

transpower has released the investigation report on their FB page. report here

 

interesting that a fair bit of what they have said in public has been not quite true. 

 

Neither Transpower’s specifications nor its drawings for baseplate
refurbishment specify how many nuts are to be removed from the baseplate at
the same time or in what order, during refurbishment. That detail is left to the
contractor’s procedure and judgement, 

 

The Omexom written procedure that applied to the baseplate refurbishment
work at Tower 130 does not specify how many nuts are to be removed from the
baseplate at the same time or the order of removal saying only “remove hold
down nuts and washers.”

 

 At Tower 130, the Team Leader was engaged in sandblasting work while a
relatively inexperienced team member was assigned the task of removing nuts
from tower foundation legs, as the sandblasting work moved from leg to leg.
During this work the team member removed nuts above the baseplate from
three tower legs.

 

These actions did not comply with Transpower’s specifications
and service standards and did not meet standards of ‘good industry practice’.

 

The team member who removed the nuts from the foundation legs was not
adequately trained to perform the task and was not adequately supervised
while performing the task.

 

 

 

notice the double standard. does not comply with transpower standard, yet transpower does not have a standard for that action and neither does omexom.

 

edit: i also notice no mention of drug testing results. was that even done?




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  #3267130 1-Aug-2024 14:30
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As a critical engineered infrastructure asset you’d also expect a specification for torquing the nuts back down.

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  #3267132 1-Aug-2024 14:34
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Just out of interest, would you expect a 180-page procedures manual that no-one then reads because it's too long, or on-the-job training?  I'd have expected it to be covered by on-the-job training, as for a lot of other trades.




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  #3267144 1-Aug-2024 14:57
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neb:

 

Just out of interest, would you expect a 180-page procedures manual that no-one then reads because it's too long, or on-the-job training?  I'd have expected it to be covered by on-the-job training, as for a lot of other trades.

 

 

the other side of that is if its not in the procedures manual, then its not important and no attention will be given to it.

 

as for reading the manual, they get read. especially in an industry where everything has rules and specs, where safety is a major concern and the sort of money that it involves. no one leaves anything to chance. you certainly don't risk 100's of millions of dollars for "on the job training" of a newbie. 

 

even for my own work, workers don't get left to do what they like. they have procedures to follow.


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  #3267145 1-Aug-2024 14:57
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neb:

 

... a 180-page procedures manual ...

 

 

***suffers horror-flashback to 1980s Post Office days and Engineering Instructions manuals***





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  #3267147 1-Aug-2024 15:06
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180-page procedures manuals are kind-of a pre paperless thing. They can now be in the thousands.

  #3267150 1-Aug-2024 15:17
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As usual the poor old junior who thought he was doing the right thing gets blamed for management failure.


 
 
 

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  #3267202 1-Aug-2024 15:27
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Just waiting for that junior HV Pylon maintence worker Univeristy course to start up.
You can then start minimal wage work with $10'000's of dollars debt. :-)

 

Looks like it was simple issue of the team being too small ?

 

'Team Leader was engaged in sandblasting work', so could not keep an eye on the inexperienced team member removing the nuts.

 

First days on the job you are keen and want to make an impression so try not to be seen standing around waiting for something to do ? 
Someone more relaxed would have found a spade to lean on just to annoy passing motorists.

 

The Team Leader was unable to properly supervise the work as they needed to be devoting full attention on other more skilled work.

 

Hmm wonder if they have daily work targets that had been adjusted?


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  #3267207 1-Aug-2024 15:38
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neb:

 

Just out of interest, would you expect a 180-page procedures manual that no-one then reads because it's too long, or on-the-job training?  I'd have expected it to be covered by on-the-job training, as for a lot of other trades.

 

 

i'm just going through some of the fine print in the report. it seams that there was multiple different methods being used by different people. this is one of the problems when you allow it to done by "on the job training". you have different people being taught different things, which in turn get mixed up.

 

also it allows people to make up their own procedures, which is normal human behavior. something i have to deal with when we have new staff. young fellas think they are hot stuff and can do it better/faster. one of the main reasons we don't do it the faster way is because of all the errors that it causes.

 

what also compounds things when the boss is also the main worker. this team working on the pylon is a tradie with helpers. where it should have been "boss with workers". the head guy should have had other guys doing the sandblasting/main work so he could do minor work while he managed staff correctly.  this is a problem i have. i'm the head guy and main worker. when i turn around to do something the helper goes does something hes not meant to do. usually because he thinks it will speed things up, or the job needs doing.


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  #3267209 1-Aug-2024 15:40
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larknz:

 

As usual the poor old junior who thought he was doing the right thing gets blamed for management failure.

 

 

o yeah. very much so. this has multiple failures in it.


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  #3267227 1-Aug-2024 16:12
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ezbee: 'Team Leader was engaged in sandblasting work', so could not keep an eye on the inexperienced team member removing the nuts.

 

One thing I have noticed with a lot of tradespeople is that they'll just plough ahead with something even if there are questions to be asked, "the plan says this but it doesn't look right, are you sure this is what you want?", or "the requirements are to do a generic X, are you OK with us doing X-type-1 or did you have something else in mind?".  This is really annoying when it leads to having to undo a pile of work or it's too late to undo and not quite what you expected.


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  #3267277 1-Aug-2024 19:11
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I would have thought that someone entering into this line of work would have the basic common sense to realize that you don't undo all the bolts at once.


  #3267278 1-Aug-2024 19:17
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You do wonder what was said at the tailgate talk before the job started


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  #3267282 1-Aug-2024 19:30
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neb:

 

Just out of interest, would you expect a 180-page procedures manual that no-one then reads because it's too long, or on-the-job training?  I'd have expected it to be covered by on-the-job training, as for a lot of other trades.

 

 

I'd totally read that

 

 

 

floydbloke:

 

neb:

 

... a 180-page procedures manual ...

 

 

***suffers horror-flashback to 1980s Post Office days and Engineering Instructions manuals***

 

 

Proof:  screengrabs of me being annoying on facebook:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I had to purchase them:

 

 

 

 

Now, when's smoko.





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  #3267307 1-Aug-2024 22:04
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larknz:

You do wonder what was said at the tailgate talk before the job started



I have heard stories of pre-start talks that included:


"Under no circumstances is ANYONE to push the trip button on this breaker. We're think it might blow up if operated. We need to do work downstream of it. So we're going to get the power company to cut power at the transformer instead."

"Why do that? We can just turn it off here."

*reaches out and trips breaker*

Stunned silence


This was not transpower but was not much less critical.

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