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#248587 1-Apr-2019 15:26
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I've been having some problems with my VDSL line in the last week, with fluctuating sync speeds and repeated dropping of the connection. I logged a ticket with Skinny and they replied saying they had started a 24 hour line test as of about 2pm Saturday. Typically the instability stopped shortly before the test started (this is an intermittent fault) but it was back in full force on Sunday morning, with the line repeatedly dropping and reconnecting for several hours. It finally steadied out by about midday Sunday. It was a total pain that morning, when trying to make plans and grocery shopping lists etc, but I was glad the problem had occurred while the trace was on my line.

 

Skinny then emailed me last night to say that the test had shown my line was stable throughout the 24 hour period so they would not be logging a fault with Chorus, and suggesting my problems might be due to my local wireless network. What?!

 

know my line was unstable because I was logged into the modem on Sunday morning watching it repeatedly desync and resync. I can't see the number of times the connection dropped, as the HG659 doesn't appear to report it, but given the speed it was happening it could have happened hundreds of times over the course of Sunday morning. When I received Skinny's email last night, my connection uptime was about 9 hours, proving that it had dropped at least once during the 24 hour period. The sync speeds were also wildly inconsistent throughout, with my upstream spending much of the day at 5, 2 or 1 Mbps (normal for my line is 10-11Mbps).

 

I immediately replied to Skinny asking them to double check the results of the test, but as yet have had no response. While I wait, can anyone cast any light on how I could have possibly got this response? I assumed the 24 hour test would have not only reported the number of desyncs, but also recorded detailed statistics about my SNR and sync rates over the period, which would have very clearly demonstrated a highly unstable line. I am really scratching my head here.


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  #2208735 1-Apr-2019 15:34
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Post your xDSL modem  stats for us to see




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  #2208736 1-Apr-2019 15:35
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Kinda depends on what the rep is looking for, if they were checking disconnections only on the 24 hour test, then it would have been within spec.

The problem here is, Chorus's line tests are kinda a bit sh!tty to understand..

 

 

 

You don't get back a fault indicator, you get back graphs to analyse. Even disconnections, they only statistically calculate out the spontaneous ones.





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  #2208743 1-Apr-2019 15:42
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Post your xDSL modem  stats for us to see

 

 

Will do once I get home. The issue is that it's an intemittent fault. When all is working fine, I have a solid 65Mbps/10Mbps sync with 6/5 SNR and 10/13 attenuation. When the fault is occurring, the SNR dives and the sync rate plummets (upstream much more badly affected). When the SNR hits 0 the sync drops. Annoying to diagnose, which is why I was pleased it was happening while the 24 hour test was active.

 

hio77:

 

Kinda depends on what the rep is looking for, if they were checking disconnections only on the 24 hour test, then it would have been within spec.

The problem here is, Chorus's line tests are kinda a bit sh!tty to understand..

 

 

 

You don't get back a fault indicator, you get back graphs to analyse. Even disconnections, they only statistically calculate out the spontaneous ones.

 

 

I was expecting they would get a graph. You'd be able to see the number of resyncs without needing to do a 24 hour test, right? But given what my SNR was doing on Sunday morning (I frequently saw it go negative just before the sync dropped) I just cannot understand how they could conclude the line was stable.




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  #2208752 1-Apr-2019 15:55
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Based on your description, this sounds like a wet or corroded joint...





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  #2208753 1-Apr-2019 15:59
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hio77:

 

Based on your description, this sounds like a wet or corroded joint...

 

 

That's my theory too. But first Bigpipe, and now Skinny, won't send Chorus out to fix it! I really thought this test would be the evidence they need.


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  #2208775 1-Apr-2019 16:02
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allio:

 

hio77:

 

Based on your description, this sounds like a wet or corroded joint...

 

 

That's my theory too. But first Bigpipe, and now Skinny, won't send Chorus out to fix it! I really thought this test would be the evidence they need.

 

 

It can be hard, particularly as a front line rep to look at an issue and quantify it.

 

 

 

If you miss-analyse the fault, You land your customer with a NFF after all...





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  #2208779 1-Apr-2019 16:06
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hio77:

 

It can be hard, particularly as a front line rep to look at an issue and quantify it.

 

 

 

If you miss-analyse the fault, You land your customer with a NFF after all...

 

 

That's fair enough, and I definitely don't want a NFF (particularly as if all goes to plan I will get UFB installed later this month). I just thought this test would show incontrovertible proof of an unstable line. It seems I could have gathered more useful information by taking a video or screenshots of the modem stats.


 
 
 

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  #2208783 1-Apr-2019 16:14
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allio:

 

That's fair enough, and I definitely don't want a NFF (particularly as if all goes to plan I will get UFB installed later this month). I just thought this test would show incontrovertible proof of an unstable line. It seems I could have gathered more useful information by taking a video or screenshots of the modem stats.

 

 

 

 

 

It's kinda like take the following graph... It was a modem fault. bloody hard to tell from that though!

 

There is an artform to reading these, and even then the best even are wrong at times. You are literally taking an educated gamble.

 

 

 

It's one of the reason copper faults are such a pain to deal with :/





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  #2208789 1-Apr-2019 16:19
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hio77:

 

 

 

 

It's kinda like take the following graph... It was a modem fault. bloody hard to tell from that though!

 

There is an artform to reading these, and even then the best even are wrong at times. You are literally taking an educated gamble.

 

 

 

It's one of the reason copper faults are such a pain to deal with :/

 

 

Thank you, I was hoping to see something like this.

 

That is definitely less information/less clear than I was picturing.

 

In my case the upstream is far more badly affected than the downstream (downstream usually stayed over 50Mbps, even when upstream was down to 70Kbps). Would the Skinny tech have been able to see upstream as well?


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  #2208796 1-Apr-2019 16:32
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allio:

 

Thank you, I was hoping to see something like this.

 

That is definitely less information/less clear than I was picturing.

 

In my case the upstream is far more badly affected than the downstream (downstream usually stayed over 50Mbps, even when upstream was down to 70Kbps). Would the Skinny tech have been able to see upstream as well?

 

 

Yep, the report comes back with like 40 graphs, It's alot of data but as you have noticed, It's not always informative.

 

 

 

You need to really have a good understanding if your looking for a specific issue.

 

Alternative of-course is you toss it to chorus say X test was done, customer is experiencing Y pls fix.

 

 

 

But then your relying on them to also make that choice.

 

(Chorus are good at this generally)





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hio77:

 

Yep, the report comes back with like 40 graphs, It's alot of data but as you have noticed, It's not always informative.

 

 

 

You need to really have a good understanding if your looking for a specific issue.

 

Alternative of-course is you toss it to chorus say X test was done, customer is experiencing Y pls fix.

 

 

 

But then your relying on them to also make that choice.

 

(Chorus are good at this generally)

 

 

Thanks heaps hio. That gives me a bit of information to go back to Skinny with if I don't get a helpful response. I'll point them to the upstream sync graph specifically as that one HAS to show the problem - if it doesn't I'd say they were monitoring the wrong line!

 

Will update once I hear back from Skinny.


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allio:

 

Thanks heaps hio. That gives me a bit of information to go back to Skinny with if I don't get a helpful response. I'll point them to the upstream sync graph specifically as that one HAS to show the problem - if it doesn't I'd say they were monitoring the wrong line!

 

Will update once I hear back from Skinny.

 

 

Or your on a vectored line, inwhich case it's on a different graph all together ;)





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hio77:

 

Or your on a vectored line, inwhich case it's on a different graph all together ;)

 

 

Sadly not!


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allio:

 

hio77:

 

Or your on a vectored line, inwhich case it's on a different graph all together ;)

 

 

Sadly not!

 

 

mhm, point i was making is, depending on hardware and profile in use it also changes the graphs..





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  #2208977 1-Apr-2019 18:02
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hio77:

 

mhm, point i was making is, depending on hardware and profile in use it also changes the graphs..

 

 

Overall point being: it's complicated 😃

 

Modem stats are here - this is what it looks like while the line is behaving.


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