VDSL, which router/modem sub $200?

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TeaLeaf

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#1161837 24-Oct-2014 23:26

haha was just about to type i read it does fibre, so yeah its as future proofed as i can be i guess?

$200 dont so so bad if thats the case.

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#1161954 25-Oct-2014 10:58

is there a way with the NF4V to setup user accounts for guests who stay with us so we can give them a separate password and separate their usage data and what they have view from ours?

we have 2 phone jacks in the house, none are loaded telephone lines (dsl)naked. We dont plan to use the other jack for anything. Do we still need a master filter or whatever their called? House is about 10 years old.

so excited about the NF4V, cant wait, thanks guy.

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#1161968 25-Oct-2014 12:31

TeaLeaf: is there a way with the NF4V to setup user accounts for guests who stay with us so we can give them a separate password and separate their usage data and what they have view from ours?

we have 2 phone jacks in the house, none are loaded telephone lines (dsl)naked. We dont plan to use the other jack for anything. Do we still need a master filter or whatever their called? House is about 10 years old.

so excited about the NF4V, cant wait, thanks guy.

Yes you do need a master filter for VDSL2 if you have multiple jack points.

As for splitting usage, there isn't a single mass market product that I'm aware of that supports this functionality.

SirHumphreyAppleby

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#1161974 25-Oct-2014 13:00

sbiddle:
SirHumphreyAppleby:
I have a Draytek Vigor 120 (ADSL, not VDSL), which I purchased because of the half bridge mode. I never did get that feature to work, and their support was completely useless.

I'm not quite sure what you attempted to do but on the DV120 all you need to do is tick the single check box that says "PPPoE Passthru" and it works giving you full bridge mode.

Sorry, you're right. It was PPPoE Passthrough mode. Half bridge mode was my old DSE router.

I found the support e-mail. The issue was extremely bad performance and frequent disconnects when using the FreeBSD PPP client (Windows client worked fine). Lowering the MTU as suggested by support didn't help, and they didn't ever reply to my follow-up message. I changed the type of tunnelling I was using for IPv6, and figured for the $30 per month I was saving by going back to ADSL from wireless, I could live with the slight inconvenience.

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#1161977 25-Oct-2014 13:07

SirHumphreyAppleby:
I found the support e-mail. The issue was extremely bad performance and frequent disconnects when using the FreeBSD PPP client (Windows client worked fine). Lowering the MTU as suggested by support dind't help, and they didn't ever reply to my follow-up message. I changed the type of tunnelling I was using for IPv6, and figured for the $30 per month I was saving by going back to ADSL from wireless, I could live with the slight inconvenience.

As this device creates a full bridge and PPP and MTU issues are likely to be ISP related.

There is no need for PPPoA to PPPoE translation these days anyway (as the PPPoA is just converted back to PPPoE by the ISAM anyway), you're better off just using an ISP that supports EUBA VLAN10 tagging for ADSL2+.

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#1161979 25-Oct-2014 13:15

sbiddle:
There is no need for PPPoA to PPPoE translation these days anyway (as the PPPoA is just converted back to PPPoE by the ISAM anyway), you're better off just using an ISP that supports EUBA VLAN10 tagging for ADSL2+.

I recall asking my ISP about that possibility. All an issue of the past now I'm on fibre.

NonprayingMantis

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#1161982 25-Oct-2014 13:42

TeaLeaf: is there a way with the NF4V to setup user accounts for guests who stay with us so we can give them a separate password and separate their usage data and what they have view from ours?

we have 2 phone jacks in the house, none are loaded telephone lines (dsl)naked. We dont plan to use the other jack for anything. Do we still need a master filter or whatever their called? House is about 10 years old.

so excited about the NF4V, cant wait, thanks guy.

1) you can setup guest wifi access on the NF4V. you can't separate out their specific usage, but then you also don't really need to since you have unlimited data anyway. You can apply QoS to different traffic types to ensure your connection doesn't suffer with them torrenting etc. (I haven't done that, so I can't help you)

2) with only 2 jack points and naked broadband you may or may not need a master filter. Quite likely you won't need one. See how your speeds look. If they are terrible, then get a filter. If your speeds are fine without one, then you might not get a big benefit from one. (and it also depends on what you define as a 'big benefit'. Spme people on here would define a gain of 3-4Mbps on a 35Mbps connection a big gain. You may not.)

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#1161987 25-Oct-2014 14:43

NonprayingMantis:

2) with only 2 jack points and naked broadband you may or may not need a master filter. Quite likely you won't need one. See how your speeds look. If they are terrible, then get a filter. If your speeds are fine without one, then you might not get a big benefit from one. (and it also depends on what you define as a 'big benefit'. Spme people on here would define a gain of 3-4Mbps on a 35Mbps connection a big gain. You may not.)

When you get VDSL installed you will get a master filter as "standard issue" (all ISPs do this except BigPipe).
You pay for it (included in the install fee) whether or not you get a filter installed - so why not get one?
You can't ask for a "free" retrofitted master filter later.
Personally I think that any ADSL or VDSL connection needs a master filter.

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#1161989 25-Oct-2014 14:46

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2) with only 2 jack points and naked broadband you may or may not need a master filter. Quite likely you won't need one. See how your speeds look. If they are terrible, then get a filter. If your speeds are fine without one, then you might not get a big benefit from one. (and it also depends on what you define as a 'big benefit'. Spme people on here would define a gain of 3-4Mbps on a 35Mbps connection a big gain. You may not.)

When you get VDSL installed you will get a master filter as "standard issue" (all ISPs do this except BigPipe).
You pay for it (included in the install fee) whether or not you get a filter installed - so why not get one?
You can't ask for a "free" retrofitted master filter later.
Personally I think that any ADSL or VDSL connection needs a master filter.

Not true. It costs the ISP an extra $5 per month to include a filter install. Most ISPs do it by default on every VDSL connection, which means they build it into their pricing whether you need one or not.

TeaLeaf

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#1162061 25-Oct-2014 17:53

im not going to install a master filter on a rental property as the seem to cost big dollars and then i cant take it with me, would rather just get adsl. as we are not using the other jack for anything, is there any way to disable it so it does cause this noise issue that the master filter is meant to help with. for all i know it could already have had one installed, is there any way to know?

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#1162105 25-Oct-2014 18:51

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#1162122 25-Oct-2014 19:30

TeaLeaf: im not going to install a master filter on a rental property as the seem to cost big dollars and then i cant take it with me, would rather just get adsl. as we are not using the other jack for anything, is there any way to disable it so it does cause this noise issue that the master filter is meant to help with. for all i know it could already have had one installed, is there any way to know?

Every ISP in NZ apart from BigPipe installs one for you as part of your VDSL2 connection at no cost to you.

NonprayingMantis

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#1162137 25-Oct-2014 19:48

sbiddle:
TeaLeaf: im not going to install a master filter on a rental property as the seem to cost big dollars and then i cant take it with me, would rather just get adsl. as we are not using the other jack for anything, is there any way to disable it so it does cause this noise issue that the master filter is meant to help with. for all i know it could already have had one installed, is there any way to know?

Every ISP in NZ apart from BigPipe installs one for you as part of your VDSL2 connection at no cost to you.

Its included in the price, it's not 'at no cost'

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