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#1926163 28-Dec-2017 14:32

Fairly sure that new houses don't come with the ONT installed without an order being placed with an RSP.

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#1926193 28-Dec-2017 14:55

quickymart:

Fairly sure that new houses don't come with the ONT installed without an order being placed with an RSP.

Unless the developer has an agreement with Chorus and pays for the build. Which I am pretty sure is standard with every new subdivision anyway.

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#1926194 28-Dec-2017 14:57

michaelmurfy:

All ISP's offer a free UFB install.

I'd recommend Spark, BigPipe or Voyager (not specifically in that order) for a connection. It is personal preference, but they're all great ISP's. From here, request ADSL/VDSL first if your property doesn't already have UFB and then ask them to do a UFB order (so you're not without a connection whilst this is happening). As for VLAN tagging it doesn't really matter as long as you're using a router with support for it. Both Voyager and Spark VLAN their connections and BigPipe can do so via request (I've personally got a VLAN'd BigPipe connection).

BigPipe often have deals on GrabOne like this one. When combined with a Referral code (like the one in my signature) it makes it one of the cheapest options out there.

Edit: Just note the Airport is not at all suitable for a Gigabit connection. At most, 200/20 should be fine. It is quite underpowered as a router.

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#1926197 28-Dec-2017 15:16

https://sp.chorus.co.nz/product-update/launching-pre-built-fibre-new-subdivisions

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#1926210 28-Dec-2017 16:57

Thanks for the replies, Chorus and the ISPs say we are able to get fibre now. The Chorus site says that Fibre installs (with our address plugged in) are taking two weeks at the moment, but it seems the consensus is to not do that in the immediate term and go with VDSL. Once that is up, then change to Fibre?

Can I just switch if we sign up for a contract? Or do I then need to wait 12/24 months?

Jon

Edit: have asked Big Pipe the question, thanks Michael for the referral code.

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#1926224 28-Dec-2017 17:09

You will get an appropriate router from your ISP so you can repurpose your airport extreme as an AP (just set to bridge mode) if you can run some cat6 cable to the end of the house furthest from the OTN / router.

Consider the best location for your OTN / modem for WiFi coverage as it doesnt need to be where a VDSL modem would be located. However, if you want to drop the copper connection ( which Chorus / Spark will suggest) and use IP voice, being near an existing phone socket make connecting to existing internal phone wiring easy. This is assuming the house has multiple sockets and you are not going with cordless phones.

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#1926226 28-Dec-2017 17:09

bigpipe are no contract

most other providers will allow you to switch when on contract, you will just retain the contract or have to sign up for the fill period again.

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#1926227 28-Dec-2017 17:13

Honestly, sign up for ADSL/VDSL once thats in and going contact your ISP and sign up for fibre. it may say 2 weeks but don't count on it.

Dont cancel the VDSL till the fibre is in and working, common mistake having A/VDSL turn off the day fibre is suppose to be installed and it not actually happening and then being left with out a connection.

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#1926228 28-Dec-2017 17:17

UFB and "Michael"Murphy's Law go hand in hand for some odd reason..

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#1926244 28-Dec-2017 17:36

Jase2985:
Honestly, sign up for ADSL/VDSL once thats in and going contact your ISP and sign up for fibre. it may say 2 weeks but don't count on it.

Dont cancel the VDSL till the fibre is in and working, common mistake having A/VDSL turn off the day fibre is suppose to be installed and it not actually happening and then being left with out a connection.

Thanks Jase - think that will be my plan.

Jon

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#1926250 28-Dec-2017 17:58

does mean you may be paying an extra month worth of A/VDSL but its a small price to pay for continuous internet

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#1926256 28-Dec-2017 18:43

jonherries: Thanks for the replies, Chorus and the ISPs say we are able to get fibre now. The Chorus site says that Fibre installs (with our address plugged in) are taking two weeks at the moment, but it seems the consensus is to not do that in the immediate term and go with VDSL. Once that is up, then change to Fibre?

Can I just switch if we sign up for a contract? Or do I then need to wait 12/24 months?

Jon

Edit: have asked Big Pipe the question, thanks Michael for the referral code.

Why dont you just ask an ISP?

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#1926259 28-Dec-2017 19:35

@jonherries do you know what type of internet connection the current residents have? If they currently have xDSL ask them what ISP they use, and if the account can be transferred to your name. Or simply ask that ISP if you could take over their connection.

If they currently use Vodafone cable, or fixed wireless. There may not be an intact copper line to the property. Or if they have already requested a disconnection with their current ISP, a new xDSL connection cannot proceed until the old connection has finished disconnecting. And if they have said that the disconnection date is a date after you move I in, say the end of the old customers billing cycle. Then you will most likely not be able to get connected immediately. Other problems can happen if the line is fed from an exchange, and it needs to be changed between Chorus or LLU gear.

Assuming the property is not a cross lease, or a shared driveway. It might be easier to just order fibre, and use mobile data in the meantime. Some fibre installs are surprisingly quick. Both of my neighbors had their fibre connected on just 1 day. Not including however long it took for the order to reach the installer, and for them to schedule it. One of them also included getting permission from Chorus to use a different microduct in the street ducting. (one of the spare microducts) To avoid needing to run the leadin under my driveway (in council land) due to a design error in the original street fibre build.

I also now have a second microduct assigned to my property (yay) Which will be useful if I ever subdivide my property.

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#1926264 28-Dec-2017 19:51

jonherries: So we are back in NZ (will be back in Wellington next week), and have done sign ups for electric and gas today. But have come to the internet access question and UFB appears to be the way to go. But I have a question:

Looking at Spark (lol not Telecom), they will install UFB for free. Looking at Bigpipe who don't do VLAN tagging which would be nice for my AEBS, they don’t describe how or whether they will install UFB and how much it would cost, but they appear to provide the service?

From what I have read it appears someone needs to run the fibre from the street to your house and terminate it? I am guessing Chorus does this? How long does it take from order to delivery in Wellington?

Thanks for any advice/assistance.

Jon

I generally go with the actual operator rather than a wholesaler. The wholesaler may be cheaper, but when things go wrong you're an extra step removed from the resolution.....and my experiences there have been long and painful.

Spark do a good job.

If you own the property and don't share the access, then it's pretty straightforward. If you're up a shared access then everyone on it has to give approval. If they already have approvals on file....great. If they don't it could take months at the very least....if it can be done at all. It only takes one person on the shared access to say no and that's the end of that. Been there.

Also...it has to be the landowner(s) giving the approvals. A tenant can't do this. This was our delay - 3 of the 5 houses were tenanted...and one of the landlords lives in Beijing. Game over....for a long time, until their property manager finally got an approval. It took just under a year.

I got fibre the minute I was able. I got the highest plan on offer: 200mb up and 200mb down. I love it.

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#1926267 28-Dec-2017 20:01

Have heard back from BigPipe, they are happy with the suggestion I get VDSL, then order UFB....

Problem solved.

Jon

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