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#2551166 28-Aug-2020 10:24

Britguy:

To all you guys who have replied with helpfull suggestions, much appreciated, and thank you for taking the time to do so.

The Chorus guy came out again today, and he did indeed find a bad line (the second fault he has found), right at the house connection. We are back up to 5Mbs at the moment, so we should be okay. I'll take a good look through the many useful suggestions later in the day, when I have the time to do them justice.

When I purchased my house and had to leave the HFC network as it was not in my area and went back to ADSL I ran a dedicated jack point and installed a master filter

one of these https://cdlnz.com/XDSL-MASTER

and the fools to install it this https://cdlnz.com/A-UR-3100 and this https://cdlnz.com/CT-105

all for less than $50

the reason I did this even though I had Naked ADSL with BigPipe the previous person had POTS on the line, so if you plugged a phone in you would get disconnected beeps

If you connection is naked, try plug a phone in and if you get the disconnected beeps you DEFINITELY need a master filter, you may even get more than the 5Mbps you are getting now

I am now on Fibre now but for the two years I was on ADSL I am glad I made this simple investment

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#2551168 28-Aug-2020 10:25

Britguy:

To all you guys who have replied with helpfull suggestions, much appreciated, and thank you for taking the time to do so.

The Chorus guy came out again today, and he did indeed find a bad line (the second fault he has found), right at the house connection. We are back up to 5Mbs at the moment, so we should be okay. I'll take a good look through the many useful suggestions later in the day, when I have the time to do them justice.

This is not uncommon.

the tech generally won't come out and go I've found a fault, let me keep checking further.

Once they have found one, Jobs done. That's all chorus pay them for...

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#2551169 28-Aug-2020 10:25

@Britguy, if your neighbours are getting closer to 11 Mb/s, the difference is quite likely internal wiring in your home. A master filter (or just a direct line to the ETP for a naked connection) and dedicated outlet for your modem will bypass any dodgy phone wiring in your house, and can work wonders for connect rate on poorer connections.

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#2551209 28-Aug-2020 11:42

nztim:
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the reason I did this even though I had Naked ADSL with BigPipe the previous person had POTS on the line, so if you plugged a phone in you would get disconnected beeps

If you connection is naked, try plug a phone in and if you get the disconnected beeps you DEFINITELY need a master filter, you may even get more than the 5Mbps you are getting now>

This is only relevant if you have left other wiring connected to your ETP. If you only have a direct connection to 1 jack there is nothing for the master filter to do. Whether Spark leave a number connected has no effect on the dsl. There will be another filter at their end.

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#2551210 28-Aug-2020 11:43

nztim:

Britguy:

To all you guys who have replied with helpfull suggestions, much appreciated, and thank you for taking the time to do so.

The Chorus guy came out again today, and he did indeed find a bad line (the second fault he has found), right at the house connection. We are back up to 5Mbs at the moment, so we should be okay. I'll take a good look through the many useful suggestions later in the day, when I have the time to do them justice.

When I purchased my house and had to leave the HFC network as it was not in my area and went back to ADSL I ran a dedicated jack point and installed a master filter

one of these https://cdlnz.com/XDSL-MASTER

and the fools to install it this https://cdlnz.com/A-UR-3100 and this https://cdlnz.com/CT-105

all for less than $50

the reason I did this even though I had Naked ADSL with BigPipe the previous person had POTS on the line, so if you plugged a phone in you would get disconnected beeps

If you connection is naked, try plug a phone in and if you get the disconnected beeps you DEFINITELY need a master filter, you may even get more than the 5Mbps you are getting now

I am now on Fibre now but for the two years I was on ADSL I am glad I made this simple investment

@nztim Your post sounds very intriguing. I was of the understanding that a filter filters out the ADSL Signal from the rest of the jack points in the house and pretty much passes the ADSL signal straight through to the ADSL jackpoint making the filter pointless on a Naked line with a dedicated jackpoint (no other outlets on the line) ? Happy to be proven wrong as any improvement in my connection would be welcome.
Wiring of the jackpoint referenced here
https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=141&topicid=98618&page_no=1#589738

and to the OP @Britguy if you are south of Christchurch try https://www.ultimatebroadband.co.nz/rural-wireless.html if you are north of Chch you are probably out of luck for coverage with them.

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#2551231 28-Aug-2020 12:18

Bung:
nztim:

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the reason I did this even though I had Naked ADSL with BigPipe the previous person had POTS on the line, so if you plugged a phone in you would get disconnected beeps

If you connection is naked, try plug a phone in and if you get the disconnected beeps you DEFINITELY need a master filter, you may even get more than the 5Mbps you are getting now</p
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This is only relevant if you have left other wiring connected to your ETP. If you only have a direct connection to 1 jack there is nothing for the master filter to do. Whether Spark leave a number connected has no effect on the dsl. There will be another filter at their end.

There was a debate in another thread if the new 3 pair master filters had a high pass filter on the DSL pair or if the line/dsl pairs were just joined inside the filter

Unfortunately I don't want to just destroy it to find out

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#2551232 28-Aug-2020 12:22

apocalypso: I was of the understanding that a filter filters out the ADSL Signal from the rest of the jack points in the house and pretty much passes the ADSL signal straight through to the ADSL jackpoint making the filter pointless on a Naked line with a dedicated jackpoint (no other outlets on the line)

Correct. It will also isolate any taps which cause reflections in the internal wiring where there is no dedicated xDSL jack.

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#2551289 28-Aug-2020 14:09

nztim: There was a debate in another thread if the new 3 pair master filters had a high pass filter on the DSL pair or if the line/dsl pairs were just joined inside the filter

Unfortunately I don't want to just destroy it to find out

There might be as the specification called for protection against ringing harmonics and switch hook transients generated by parallel connected phones. Without the phones this shouldn't be a problem.

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#2551479 28-Aug-2020 17:06

Don't know the current specification but the Telecom PTC285 June 2010 required a low-pass to the phones and a high-pass to the DSL. Would not expect any change.

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#2551492 28-Aug-2020 17:35

Clima:
Don't know the current specification but the Telecom PTC285 June 2010 required a low-pass to the phones and a high-pass to the DSL. Would not expect any change.

Based on that a Master Filter is a good thing if there is disconnected POTs on the line

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#2551493 28-Aug-2020 17:36

Hi last few filters that are compliant that I have hacked apart only have a low pass to the pots leg, if I am not mistaken the standard simply implies a hp for the dsl leg if required to met spec, and most if not all meet it sans the HP section.

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#2551534 28-Aug-2020 19:25

RunningMan:

@Britguy, if your neighbours are getting closer to 11 Mb/s, the difference is quite likely internal wiring in your home. A master filter (or just a direct line to the ETP for a naked connection) and dedicated outlet for your modem will bypass any dodgy phone wiring in your house, and can work wonders for connect rate on poorer connections.

The neighbours are much closer to the branch connection point (main line) than we are. Also, our telephone lines have been replaced in the house just a few years ago with Cat5E cabling, patch panel etc. The Chorus tech guy did however, leave me a splitter box which I will fit soon. The 5Mbs was obtained at wall connection (not with house wiring connected), and I still get 5Mbs in house.

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