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#521587 15-Sep-2011 17:17

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DonGould:

The following comment was made to me this morning with respect to this Australian visiting us earlier in the year...

Is there some reason why he didn't consider mobile broadband? Which is the ideal type of broadband for someone moving around tourist style imo...

He did express that he ended up getting a better result from mobile BB.

.au v's .nz mobile BB prices are huge. It's the sort of thing that tourists resent. The fact that his dollar buys 5 of ours is not the point.

We also use different networks here. So if he's using an incompatible network in .au then he'll need a different bit of hardware. Where as wifi is very universal.

But all these this issues really are missing the point.

When you use a digital camera you can snap 4 gigs in a day without any trouble at all.

When you get back to the hotel/motel/B&B, you want to upload that content to your cloud. Just how many times have you read the story of the tourist who gets their camera stolen?

You want to push those snaps to the cloud in 10 minutes while you check your email, plan your evening events and quickly skype your mum to give her an update.

You can't do that on mobile BB even if you want to and are willing to pay the cost ($80 for 4GB?)

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#521607 15-Sep-2011 17:43

i wanted to join Snap's vdsl but i am not close enough to the cabinet, my line attenuation is 17db and they wont connect anyone over 12db so unless you are within 1-200 metres from a a cabinet, then it dosent matter how much you want to join , you cant , so how many people does that rule out from having vsdl through no fault of there own

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#521614 15-Sep-2011 17:57

I'm pretty sure VDSL is still in it's soft launch phase, the phase where ISPs are finalising their testing and automated provisioning of the service. ISPs will also need to run the numbers and ensure their networks are up to delivering such a service en mass.

Obviously everyone wants faster internet, however how many people are willing to front up with the extra $$ for it will be interesting to see in the long term, I suspect few.

For some business the benefits are obvious and the added cost can easily be justified.

VDSL is only going to be an interim solution for many until access to UFB is available. UFB pricing seems very sharp so it will be interesting to see how this best effort service is taken to market but the major ISPs.

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#521617 15-Sep-2011 18:16

insane: VDSL is only going to be an interim solution for many until access to UFB is available. UFB pricing seems very sharp so it will be interesting to see how this best effort service is taken to market but the major ISPs.

We have one new UFB probe with only a few days of tests, but here are the results so far:
Throughput purchased 10/10Mb/s, received average over 12 tests only; 9 down and 7 up.
Browsing mostly 3.6 seconds per page download - compare our stats on 25th Aug, FS/FS probes ranging from 0.5s to 3s, average 1s.

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#521619 15-Sep-2011 18:18

We'd take VDSL2 if it was available...

We're two houses short of the coverage from a cabinet less than 100m up the road (blue dot). Fed from the main exchange and getting 5-6mbit sync on ADSL2.

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#521626 15-Sep-2011 18:40

JohnButt: We have one new UFB probe with only a few days of tests, but here are the results so far:
Throughput purchased 10/10Mb/s, received average over 12 tests only; 9 down and 7 up.
Browsing mostly 3.6 seconds per page download - compare our stats on 25th Aug, FS/FS probes ranging from 0.5s to 3s, average 1s.

Are you saying your one UFB probe so far, despite giving excellent down and up raw speeds is delivering a worse web page loading experience (3.6sec) than the vast majority of your DSL probes? (0.5-3Sec)

Cheers - N

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#521627 15-Sep-2011 18:40

vexxxboy: i wanted to join Snap's vdsl but i am not close enough to the cabinet, my line attenuation is 17db and they wont connect anyone over 12db so unless you are within 1-200 metres from a a cabinet, then it dosent matter how much you want to join , you cant , so how many people does that rule out from having vsdl through no fault of there own

The distance is further than this - the key factor is the attenuation. Higher frequency signals drop off faster, and that's exactly what VDSL uses to deliver faster speeds.

VDSL2 was never designed to be a product to replicate ADSL coverage, however somewhere in the vicinity of 70% of cabinet users are located within 500m of a cabinet, and most of these people should be able to get VDSL2.

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#521628 15-Sep-2011 18:43

sbiddle:
vexxxboy: i wanted to join Snap's vdsl but i am not close enough to the cabinet, my line attenuation is 17db and they wont connect anyone over 12db so unless you are within 1-200 metres from a a cabinet, then it dosent matter how much you want to join , you cant , so how many people does that rule out from having vsdl through no fault of there own

The distance is further than this - the key factor is the attenuation. Higher frequency signals drop off faster, and that's exactly what VDSL uses to deliver faster speeds.

VDSL2 was never designed to be a product to replicate ADSL coverage, however somewhere in the vicinity of 70% of cabinet users are located within 500m of a cabinet, and most of these people should be able to get VDSL2.

Yep - I'm a good 400 metres of cable from my local cabinet and my attentuation is 8.2dB down and 4.5dB up...

To keep this on topic though... I'd love VDSL... If it was exactly the same price to me as ADSL2+

Actually, that's not fair, I'd personally probably pay $5 a month extra to have a 10Mbit upload instead of 0.8Mbit

Cheers - N

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#521631 15-Sep-2011 18:50

Talkiet:
JohnButt: We have one new UFB probe with only a few days of tests, but here are the results so far:
Throughput purchased 10/10Mb/s, received average over 12 tests only; 9 down and 7 up.
Browsing mostly 3.6 seconds per page download - compare our stats on 25th Aug, FS/FS probes ranging from 0.5s to 3s, average 1s.

Are you saying your one UFB probe so far, despite giving excellent down and up raw speeds is delivering a worse web page loading experience (3.6sec) than the vast majority of your DSL probes? (0.5-3Sec)

Cheers - N

Thats exactly my meaning. Although it's slightly better than my own page loading :-(

Page downloading is far more dependent on ISP than on technology - so long as you are getting a little over 1-2Mb/s, raw speed is not very relevant.

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#521633 15-Sep-2011 18:54

sbiddle:
vexxxboy: i wanted to join Snap's vdsl but i am not close enough to the cabinet, my line attenuation is 17db and they wont connect anyone over 12db so unless you are within 1-200 metres from a a cabinet, then it dosent matter how much you want to join , you cant , so how many people does that rule out from having vsdl through no fault of there own

The distance is further than this - the key factor is the attenuation. Higher frequency signals drop off faster, and that's exactly what VDSL uses to deliver faster speeds.

VDSL2 was never designed to be a product to replicate ADSL coverage, however somewhere in the vicinity of 70% of cabinet users are located within 500m of a cabinet, and most of these people should be able to get VDSL2.

Its may be better than that, many are within 500m of the exchange, which acts like a great big cabinet for these users, and they are also able to get VDSL. In fact 500m is a bit short, under many conditions it could reach further than that, we will have to see what the NZ experience is.

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#521637 15-Sep-2011 19:10

I am happy with my ADSL2+ speeds

Do whatever you want to do man.

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#521638 15-Sep-2011 19:15

JohnButt:
sbiddle:
vexxxboy: i wanted to join Snap's vdsl but i am not close enough to the cabinet, my line attenuation is 17db and they wont connect anyone over 12db so unless you are within 1-200 metres from a a cabinet, then it dosent matter how much you want to join , you cant , so how many people does that rule out from having vsdl through no fault of there own

The distance is further than this - the key factor is the attenuation. Higher frequency signals drop off faster, and that's exactly what VDSL uses to deliver faster speeds.

VDSL2 was never designed to be a product to replicate ADSL coverage, however somewhere in the vicinity of 70% of cabinet users are located within 500m of a cabinet, and most of these people should be able to get VDSL2.

Its may be better than that, many are within 500m of the exchange, which acts like a great big cabinet for these users, and they are also able to get VDSL. In fact 500m is a bit short, under many conditions it could reach further than that, we will have to see what the NZ experience is.

VDSL2 will work at greater distances, but Telecom's attenuation targets will restrict who can get it in the short term. Despite VDSL2 now being a commercial product it's safe to say it's still in the soft launch phase in some repects as the only way real world data can be gathered is to monitoring new connections. I don't believe there are any guarantees that Telecom will offer the 17a profile to paying users or will play it safe and stick with 8a/8c profiles.

A lot of the work on the cabinetisation project was done with VDSL2 in mind, that's why the bulk of users are within 500m, probably something like 90% within 1km, and probably 99% within 2km. With exchanges the footprints aren't quite the same.

I'd still like an update on why Telecom won't review their position on Annex M (ie the lack of it). ADSL2+ downstream speeds are fine, but the upstream is a major limitation these days when people can't even take advantage of things such as HD video calling in Skype.

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#521660 15-Sep-2011 20:23

I'll send you a message, John, about maybe becoming a tester... I'm sure my UFB connection can do better than what you're describing :p

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#521675 15-Sep-2011 20:52

vexxxboy: i wanted to join Snap's vdsl but i am not close enough to the cabinet, my line attenuation is 17db and they wont connect anyone over 12db so unless you are within 1-200 metres from a a cabinet, then it dosent matter how much you want to join , you cant , so how many people does that rule out from having vsdl through no fault of there own

My drive is 600m long... where the cabinet is from there I wouldn't know, haven't seen it. So the whole thing becomes an academic exercise in my case, irrespective of the ISP

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#521709 15-Sep-2011 22:05

ChrisNZL: I'll send you a message, John, about maybe becoming a tester... I'm sure my UFB connection can do better than what you're describing :p

Yes please just login to our webpage and volunteer, no surprise we would like some UFB probes.

We are also looking for south island probes, especially Voda for some reason

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