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#956495 23-Dec-2013 11:26

johnr: Instead of using caps use BBcode and use bold

ooooo I like that, how do I do that> Cheers

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#956496 23-Dec-2013 11:27

AvidRAcer:
johnr: AvidRAcer this is the issue people gave you helpful INFO and you only came back at them with Caps lock on, Telecom / RSP should not have to take into account what your PC NIC card / WiFi is capable of

Wow your impossible aye, you have not once given me any helpfull info...the other people on here have. Actualy they should have taken it into account ONLY BECAUSE I SPECIFICllY ASKED THEM IF MY SPEEDS WOULD BE EFFECTED and was told only the OS mattered...telecom listend to that call and now I have been given a credit and am only beiong charged for fibre 30 untill i get new lapp beinging of jan. They are aso changing thier sales policy with regards to fibre 100 so clearly they agreed with me that an elite service like fibre 100 needs more info for public..

Caps is not being angry like you seem to think, i use caps like a highlighter to put emphasis on something important..

You stil havent answered the question after your very snied comment about me having studied at weltec.

People here are only trying to be helpful, the problem here is it's not what you're wanting to hear. On most networks with a high speed connection like 100mbit each computer is not going to get 100mbit each, it's a shared pool where each computer takes what it needs. Combined, you can get your 100mbit.

Your computer only needs 40mbit because of it's CPU, but every other device on the network can share with the remaining 60mbit if they want.

This is how networks work, you're never going to need 40mbit on a single PC so there's no point complaining that you're getting huge speeds but a single device won't accept it, it's like feeding more food to a full baby, makes a mess.

Step back a bit, I feel all your questions have been answered and there's no point from here on going on a troll war trying to get someone to give you the incorrect right answer. Nobody is in the wrong, if you want 100mbit then get it but you're never going to see 100mbit on a single device, or need it.

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#956498 23-Dec-2013 11:28

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l43a2: your connection can hit the expected speed your device cant, end of story.

Yeap i understand that. Just wanted the opinion of others here since speaking with this guy who supossidly owned a PC store

no point arguing about this, you know whats what now, telecom didnt tell you the full story according to you, now you're upset yes, move on.

Yes ive accepted it, hence asking for specifics on what specs I should be looking out for when purchasing off trademe...I like your link but due to a a large added cost in the last couple of days, I could not afford to spend that much any more, hence the need to now spec ranges etc

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#956505 23-Dec-2013 11:34

michaelmurfy:
AvidRAcer:
johnr: AvidRAcer this is the issue people gave you helpful INFO and you only came back at them with Caps lock on, Telecom / RSP should not have to take into account what your PC NIC card / WiFi is capable of

Wow your impossible aye, you have not once given me any helpfull info...the other people on here have. Actualy they should have taken it into account ONLY BECAUSE I SPECIFICllY ASKED THEM IF MY SPEEDS WOULD BE EFFECTED and was told only the OS mattered...telecom listend to that call and now I have been given a credit and am only beiong charged for fibre 30 untill i get new lapp beinging of jan. They are aso changing thier sales policy with regards to fibre 100 so clearly they agreed with me that an elite service like fibre 100 needs more info for public..

Caps is not being angry like you seem to think, i use caps like a highlighter to put emphasis on something important..

You stil havent answered the question after your very snied comment about me having studied at weltec.

People here are only trying to be helpful, the problem here is it's not what you're wanting to hear. On most networks with a high speed connection like 100mbit each computer is not going to get 100mbit each, it's a shared pool where each computer takes what it needs. Combined, you can get your 100mbit.

Your computer only needs 40mbit because of it's CPU, but every other device on the network can share with the remaining 60mbit if they want.

This is how networks work, you're never going to need 40mbit on a single PC so there's no point complaining that you're getting huge speeds but a single device won't accept it, it's like feeding more food to a full baby, makes a mess.

Step back a bit, I feel all your questions have been answered and there's no point from here on going on a troll war trying to get someone to give you the incorrect right answer. Nobody is in the wrong, if you want 100mbit then get it but you're never going to see 100mbit on a single device, or need it.

Dude....I have accepted that 100percent, I am not uspset about it any more hence I asked for info on what specs, cpu, HDD and ram I should be looking out for. So far nobody has answered that in full and am still at a bit of a loss.

The reson i was so upset about the masive loss of speed was i had specifcily asked abou my laptopn and its specs before signing up to fibre and was told my laptop did not matter only the OS mattered. If i had been told from word go that i could expect piotentialy MASSIVE losses in speed i would not hjave signed up...but like I say, I accept that its my lappy, hence wanting to now more about specs

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#956508 23-Dec-2013 11:38

The answer is that to fully saturate a 100Mbps link you'll need a very high end machine. More than you'd likely be willing to pay, and far more than it's really worth to get a little more speed. Which likely won't be hit in the real world anyway since the interesting stuff is all overseas, and will be slower than the speed test server in Auckland.

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#956528 23-Dec-2013 12:07

AvidRAcer: The thing you dont seem to get is that I dont want it just for my self, we ussualy have 2 laptops, a desktop, atleast one xbox and 2 iphones running hence why i want the 100/50.

Hmmm. No, we don't have crystal balls, so we can't get anything unless you tell us - and you are only telling us this now...

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#956532 23-Dec-2013 12:10

I have removed a few replies that aren't on topic and just really one user bashing another. I don't want to see any of that here.

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#956644 23-Dec-2013 17:17

SaltyNZ: The answer is that to fully saturate a 100Mbps link you'll need a very high end machine. More than you'd likely be willing to pay, and far more than it's really worth to get a little more speed. Which likely won't be hit in the real world anyway since the interesting stuff is all overseas, and will be slower than the speed test server in Auckland.

Heya, yea fare comment, the thing is, I can get my hands on excellent second hand machines for a fraction of the cost of most normal people, so what i can get for 500 bux could very well be what most people get for 2k. So thats why I realy want to know what the specs are that i should be looking out for, between trademe and other sorces i should be able to find something withen my budget.

Ive been offered a 2011 Macbook pro i7 something something thunderstorm or thunder bolt processor 2.3GHz, something like that, 4gb ram, 750gb HDD, 17" screen.

Would this do the trick, i know its not the Intel core thing that someone was talking about but according to the owner an i7 is bloody good...But in saying that, he is trying to sell it so I suppose he would say it was good even if it was not.

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#956646 23-Dec-2013 17:26

That would be mint

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#956702 23-Dec-2013 20:38

AvidRAcer:
SaltyNZ: The answer is that to fully saturate a 100Mbps link you'll need a very high end machine. More than you'd likely be willing to pay, and far more than it's really worth to get a little more speed. Which likely won't be hit in the real world anyway since the interesting stuff is all overseas, and will be slower than the speed test server in Auckland.

Heya, yea fare comment, the thing is, I can get my hands on excellent second hand machines for a fraction of the cost of most normal people, so what i can get for 500 bux could very well be what most people get for 2k. So thats why I realy want to know what the specs are that i should be looking out for, between trademe and other sorces i should be able to find something withen my budget.

Ive been offered a 2011 Macbook pro i7 something something thunderstorm or thunder bolt processor 2.3GHz, something like that, 4gb ram, 750gb HDD, 17" screen.

Would this do the trick, i know its not the Intel core thing that someone was talking about but according to the owner an i7 is bloody good...But in saying that, he is trying to sell it so I suppose he would say it was good even if it was not.

I've resisted thus far but thought I should respond here as I responded a few times on Facebook (Yes I am ^PL) but gave up after you stopped wanting to listen to reason the frequent times you were given a reasonable response. The use of UPPER CASE is internationally known as extremely poor Netiquette (Internet Etiquette) as it is considered shouting. So please don't do it unless you intend to shout, and if you want to shout expect to be ignored.

With the greatest respect I don't believe you need faster speeds than the 30/10 plan offers. As I said on the facebook post, SaltyNZ and many others has rightfully said going for the 100/50 plan over the 30/10 is more icing on the cake rather than a major step in speed change. The major change is moving from xDSL to Fibre where your latency speed from your home to the first hop being the Telecom managed big box that then connects you out to the internet is much lower, this in turn gives you a far improved browsing and internet experience. I would say the vast majority of people wouldn't notice any difference in speed over 10mb/s apart from large downloads (as in 500Mb+ sized files or a whole CD's worth) would come down faster.

The 100/50 plan is only necessary if you were downloading (or more likely uploading) large amounts of data on a frequent basis, or running a business connection supporting more than 20 people. When I mean large amounts I mean uploading 1 to 2 hours of High Definition Video to YouTube every day and downloading a HD movie and needing to watch it now, rather than waiting 3-4 mins for it to download which I don't believe you would have those sorts of requirements.

This is due to a number of technical reasons the least of which is the time things take to travel from here to the US and back again cannot be changed (unless the speed of light can be altered) so the average browsing experience will be no different on a 30/10 than a 100/50 plan and a 30/10 plan would more than adequately support a household of teenagers.

Gaming will be no different either as all online gaming is designed to work with ADSL or slower speeds and capacity as that is what the vast majority of the world have. So to online game you would barely need over 1mb/s so there would be no difference in gaming experience between either plan.

So now we have come to hopefully an agreement that the 30/10 plan would suffice for the average to high end person.

While I agree some better information about what is really needed in comparison 100/50 to 30/10, some personal ownership about what you are wanting is needed too. If as a customer you request a 100/50 plan, should the onus be on the ISP to ask you sufficient questions to make sure what you are asking for is the right thing? Or should we provide you what you asked for?

I'm left wondering why such a confrontational approach was needed for a fairly simple question which has been answered numerous times with the same answer.

- You only need a 30/10 plan, this would be more than sufficient for your needs
- You should be happy you have fibre. I too would like it, but living within a 5 min drive from Wellington's airport means I won't probably get fibre until 2018 if at all and am stuck on ADSL unless I move.

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#957555 26-Dec-2013 14:15

Can someone explain why the CPU would be such a bottleneck? We've had 100Mbps ethernet since the mid-90s and turn of the millennium CPUs can get 100Mbps wirespeed running firewalls. I'd be interested to see iperf results or speedtests from a live CD of some kind.

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#957559 26-Dec-2013 14:18

Probably the overhead of running the flash based speedtest web page

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#957645 26-Dec-2013 17:43

rhy7s: Can someone explain why the CPU would be such a bottleneck? We've had 100Mbps ethernet since the mid-90s and turn of the millennium CPUs can get 100Mbps wirespeed running firewalls. I'd be interested to see iperf results or speedtests from a live CD of some kind.

Mid to high end CPUs with a good NIC supporting offloading would have no problem even back them. But netbooks in general use low end CPUs with one core only and to make it a cheap PC they put some NIC that doesn't support offloading. This means every time a packet arrives at the NIC an interruption request is sent down to the CPU so it can stop and look at the packet.

NIC offloading does this job, leaving a lot of CPU available for other tasks.

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#957655 26-Dec-2013 18:35

I have a 6 year old iMac (2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo) that it has no problems maxing out my 200Mbps during speed tests to NZ sites, so a current high end machine is not necessary. I would imagine that the 2011 Macbook Pro would work fine - anything with an i7 should be fine.

I agree that 100Mbps is most useful when there are multiple concurrent users (based on earlier posts I would say you meet this criteria), but it's nice to be able to max out the connection from individual machines at times (e.g. from Steam).

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SaltyNZ: The answer is that to fully saturate a 100Mbps link you'll need a very high end machine. More than you'd likely be willing to pay, and far more than it's really worth to get a little more speed. Which likely won't be hit in the real world anyway since the interesting stuff is all overseas, and will be slower than the speed test server in Auckland.

Heya, yea fare comment, the thing is, I can get my hands on excellent second hand machines for a fraction of the cost of most normal people, so what i can get for 500 bux could very well be what most people get for 2k. So thats why I realy want to know what the specs are that i should be looking out for, between trademe and other sorces i should be able to find something withen my budget.

Ive been offered a 2011 Macbook pro i7 something something thunderstorm or thunder bolt processor 2.3GHz, something like that, 4gb ram, 750gb HDD, 17" screen.

Would this do the trick, i know its not the Intel core thing that someone was talking about but according to the owner an i7 is bloody good...But in saying that, he is trying to sell it so I suppose he would say it was good even if it was not.

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#957659 26-Dec-2013 19:05

rhy7s: Can someone explain why the CPU would be such a bottleneck? We've had 100Mbps ethernet since the mid-90s and turn of the millennium CPUs can get 100Mbps wirespeed running firewalls. I'd be interested to see iperf results or speedtests from a live CD of some kind.

I've read this thread from start to finish and was going to suggest the same. I suspect the problem lies elsewhere, maybe having 'Multimedia/Gaming Environment' option ticketed in the driver (assuming that's even an option on wired Ethernet).

OP, try testing with all multimedia/audio apps turned off and the laptop plugged in on charge and report back.

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