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#493642 15-Jul-2011 10:27

kobiak: what tracker? :) age of private and invite only trackers is back :) yay!

Got an invite by chance?

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#493645 15-Jul-2011 10:32

Thank you kindly @cymro...

on that note (off topic) what is with govt department websites? Do they go out of their way to hide information?

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#493650 15-Jul-2011 10:50

PaulBrislen: Clearly piracy (arrr) is happening but I question whether it's having the impact on income that the studios would have us believe.

When you see stories like the one below, showing the "Harry potter and The Order of the Phoenix" film made no "distributatble profit" - you quickly realise that any numbers that come out of the Hollywood machine is likely to be very "unrobust"

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/06/27/hollywoodonomics-how.html

Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
Neither "Forest Gump" nor "My Big Fat Greek wedding" made any net profit-

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#493659 15-Jul-2011 11:02

Sean Connery once sued a film company for his share of the profits. They managed to "prove" that the film hadn't made a penny - his forensic accounts proved otherwise and he bankrupted them.

I think if we were to rely on film company accountants for our truth we'd end up in a very strange place indeed.

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#493799 15-Jul-2011 17:48

Just to prove a point some people have already raised.........

Note the words "the video you have requested is not available for your geographic region".

When will American Companies realise they their laws & greed are the leading cause of the problem, as Paul points out - it's the model at fault here.

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#493999 16-Jul-2011 13:43

justjay:
Havent pointed it out, but if sites like hulu.com worked in NZ i'd use them, even if they had adverts every 10mins..

Yip agree. I'd even pay for the ability to access and put up with ads. But I cant so that leaves me with 2 options... dont watch it... or... ... ...

BTW... I'm fully assuming the new law isnt retroactive, that is you cant get a strike for an infringement that happened prior to September, have I got that right?

In NZ, from September 1st, if they want to cite you they have to pay $150 per citation. (I think I have that right).

You might want to do some research on a better bit torrent client.

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#494000 16-Jul-2011 13:49

Why're you leeching a TV Show which screens on NZ FTA Anyway?
The moral right to 'pirate' TV shows is diluted when you have reasonable means to obtain the show locally (though i've no idea how far behind we are...)

Truth is that everyone who downloads TV Shows via Torrents knows theyre doing something which is technically illegal, even if the moral ground is questionable from some points of view. So when you're caught out, admit it (which you've done, at least here) and perhaps pay some attention to it. (The world will not end because we're a season behind.)

Alternatively, play it to the letter of the law and keep it up until NZ Law permits these notices to be enforced....

The only valid argument (and it's not a defense) is that anyone suggesting that people should view the content via CBS.com instead is plainly an idiot when dealing with _international_ infringers.

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#494002 16-Jul-2011 13:50

Richard2011: Just to prove a point some people have already raised.........

Note the words "the video you have requested is not available for your geographic region".

When will American Companies realise they their laws & greed are the leading cause of the problem, as Paul points out - it's the model at fault here.

+1

My family in Canada were sending me video taped TV shows from North America in the mid-80s. This is nothing new.

The 4 years one local NZ TV network "sat" on Star Trek: TNG in order to block the other network from getting it highlighted how 'consumers' can decide they are entitled to overcome such nonsense.

NCIS is shown here most of a year after it airs in the US, Canada and a few other countries. Many people don't wait.

I've also noted the resurgence of "sneaker net" personal networks. People agree to download this or that...and share it with a much wider group off-net. Each is downloading next to nothing and sharing very little on the Net....but the wider audience in their personal networks now has even *more* content available floating around on 2TB external USB drives (think: digital video tape)......and it's now local. No downloading required.

Update: I forgot to mention some of my American friends bring back many TV shows they obtain while visiting the US so the Internet often isn't even involved as the entry point for a programme or series that - then - may become ubiquitous in NZ completely off-net.

The MPAA and RIAA are just going to fail another way.

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#494008 16-Jul-2011 14:02

Also legal options in NZ are low res, trapped in a browser and time limited in when you can use them. Often it is ages after the TV broadcast that they get them up in the ondemand players. Why wait till after legacy distribution? At that point you have no advantage over the infringing torrents

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#494097 16-Jul-2011 19:40

richms: Also legal options in NZ are low res, trapped in a browser and time limited in when you can use them. Often it is ages after the TV broadcast that they get them up in the ondemand players. Why wait till after legacy distribution? At that point you have no advantage over the infringing torrents

You'll get no argument from me around the local TV networks needing to 'keep up' with popular shows, but I frequently use TVNZ and TV3's streaming services to catch shows that I miss, and it's bearable, if less than ideal.

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#495330 19-Jul-2011 16:06

wellygary:
PaulBrislen: Clearly piracy (arrr) is happening but I question whether it's having the impact on income that the studios would have us believe.

When you see stories like the one below, showing the "Harry potter and The Order of the Phoenix" film made no "distributatble profit" - you quickly realise that any numbers that come out of the Hollywood machine is likely to be very "unrobust"

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/06/27/hollywoodonomics-how.html

Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
Neither "Forest Gump" nor "My Big Fat Greek wedding" made any net profit-

PaulBrislen: Sean Connery once sued a film company for his share of the profits. They managed to "prove" that the film hadn't made a penny - his forensic accounts proved otherwise and he bankrupted them. I think if we were to rely on film company accountants for our truth we'd end up in a very strange place indeed.

In common parlance it's called tax avoidance. Film makes "nothing" so the makers get a big fat rebate. Even though the money is there and can be tracked through forensic accounting techniques, the film makers will claim massive losses through piracy.

This is probably one of the big reasons they won't release their (obviously exceptionally dubious) methodology into how they calculate losses and piracy rates - they don't want the bs to be exposed.

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#495333 19-Jul-2011 16:08

Also notice how each different movie is produced by a small company, that will only exist for the duration of that production, creating a huge loss...