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#2613469 30-Nov-2020 16:23

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5600X cooler is fine for light use, but it makes an annoying noise. I suspect a good proportion of people who buy the 5600X will replace it.

i noticed zero annoying noise on the one i setup yesterday. was quiet as a mouse and never ramped up to full speed even under a long sustained load. (Prime 95)

Might just be me that it bothered, or might be in that mine is not quite right.

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#2613474 30-Nov-2020 16:31

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Dial111:

Came here to say this.. Userbenchmark is not a reliable source given their history.

Be that as it may, results from other sites, for productivity and benchmarks indicate marginal differences in speed, with a fairly decent price difference, so it's not wildly off what most sites I have seen are reporting.

FPS might be one way to measure if something is hugely more powerful, but beyond 120FPS, there isn't a lot of point in more power.

It really does come down to the entire platform cost,

Some intel platforms require much more expensive motherboards (im thinking K series overclockable CPU and Z490)

AMD systems typically want higher speed Memory.

Ive got recent experience with both AMD and Intel platforms and both have their ups and downs.

Its really up to you to pick which one is suiting your needs at the time and go with that. As well as availability.

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#2613565 30-Nov-2020 20:04

networkn:

Dial111:

Came here to say this.. Userbenchmark is not a reliable source given their history.

Be that as it may, results from other sites, for productivity and benchmarks indicate marginal differences in speed, with a fairly decent price difference, so it's not wildly off what most sites I have seen are reporting.

FPS might be one way to measure if something is hugely more powerful, but beyond 120FPS, there isn't a lot of point in more power.

What do you call a marginal benefit? 10-20% is the typical uplift of the 5800X over the 10700K.

On most benchmarks the most comparable part to a 5800X is the 10900K.

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#2613568 30-Nov-2020 20:06

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timmmay:

5600X cooler is fine for light use, but it makes an annoying noise. I suspect a good proportion of people who buy the 5600X will replace it.

And the 5800X doesn't have a cooler either, so that's something else to take into account.

Neither does any 10X00K. I'm not sure what you're getting at here?

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#2613619 30-Nov-2020 21:30

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What do you call a marginal benefit? 10-20% is the typical uplift of the 5800X over the 10700K.

On most benchmarks the most comparable part to a 5800X is the 10900K.

What I am seeing is 8-11% with there being a nearly 30% difference in price. The 3600x is a great option, but the 5800x presents a fairly average value proposition IMO (certainly not worthy of the incredibly gushy early review videos in my opinion). The 5950X is a beast, but what percentage of the market does this cater for?

Perhaps the 5700x might present a better picture.

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#2613623 30-Nov-2020 21:47

Yea don't use userbenchmark, they are a joke

When Ryzen started coming out they changed their benchmark weighting so that intel would be on top; a change that resulted in an intel i3 being rated higher than a Ryzen threadripper or some similar obscene result.

And recently, when the 5950X was released, their results shows that it was ahead of the top intel chip in all three categories that userbenchmark rates, but was behind intel overall somehow. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Final-nail-in-the-coffin-Bar-raising-AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X-somehow-lags-behind-four-Intel-parts-including-the-Core-i9-10900K-in-average-bench-on-UserBenchmark-despite-higher-1-core-and-4-core-scores.503581.0.html

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#2613638 30-Nov-2020 22:55

networkn:

Handle9:

What do you call a marginal benefit? 10-20% is the typical uplift of the 5800X over the 10700K.

On most benchmarks the most comparable part to a 5800X is the 10900K.

What I am seeing is 8-11% with there being a nearly 30% difference in price. The 3600x is a great option, but the 5800x presents a fairly average value proposition IMO (certainly not worthy of the incredibly gushy early review videos in my opinion). The 5950X is a beast, but what percentage of the market does this cater for?

Perhaps the 5700x might present a better picture.

They haven't released the full range yet.

The 5600X is a much better part than the 10600K and the 5800X beats the 10900K on price by 25%. The the 5900X/5950X aren't really comparable to the 10900K in performance.

If you are comparing to a 10900K, which is the closest part to a 5800X from a benchmark point of view even though it's got two fewer cores, then it's a different story on the value proposition.

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#2613648 30-Nov-2020 23:45

Something also interesting is AMD Laptops have a 10sec performance delay: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/amd-laptops-have-a-hidden-10-second-performance-delay-heres-why/

But in general I think it has been a bad couple of years for Intel - the loss of Apple, the fact Spectre / Meltdown mitigations hit Intel way harder (some sources say 5x more than AMD) and the fact AMD already have 7nm processors whilst Intel are having major problems really says it all. AMD are quite far ahead right now and I'm really glad to have done a Ryzen build this round.

Also upgrades? AMD's latest generation desktop CPU's work in previous generation boards with a mere bios update.

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#2613832 1-Dec-2020 10:11

+1 on avoiding Userbenchmark. Its pro-Intel bias has become steadily more obvious in the past few years as AMD closed the performance gap and then overtook Intel. They literally need to create a new performance weighting algorithm with every AMD CPU release in order to keep Intel's CPUs on top. When called out on it their responses are petulant and childish.

You're not wrong that the price/performance of AMD and Intel's current offerings isn't wildly different. But it hasn't been for a very long time. I bought a Phenom II rather than a Core 2 despite the Core 2 being a much more powerful CPU because the price was right. Whoever has the slower chips knocks down the prices until they're attractive on a price/performance measure for at least some use cases, and whoever has the faster chips charges a premium because, well, they're the fastest. The only thing that's changed is that AMD now has the outright faster chips and Intel is slashing prices for the first time in a decade.

Performance isn't a wash, either. The new AMD chips are fast. Especially in gaming, where Intel has had the biggest advantage for the longest time. AMD had already overtaken them on multithreaded productivity performance/$ but Intel always maintained value as having the best single-threaded performance and thus the best gaming CPUs. That finally ended with Ryzen 5000, which is why it's such a gamechanger of a product.

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#2630240 4-Jan-2021 14:37

Quite interested to see how the new Intel are benchmarking. Some commentary has them available to consumers in Jan 2021 though I suspect that's optimistic. Hopefully, that will push AMD prices down a little. The 5800x would have been my pick of processor based on my needs, though it's too higher price right now to make it justifable. Hopefully, it will drop somewhat soon. If not and Intel pricing is good, I might go another round of Intel. AMD is attractive from the Multi-threaded and multi generation compatibility. Recent price hikes mean Intel and AMD have basically switched places in the market, not made the market more competitive.

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#2669282 7-Mar-2021 06:54

Anandtech has had a retail leak for the 11700K. It looks like it's somewhat similar to a 5800X for gaming and not comparable for productivity. Apparently the Intel 11th gen is worse than the 10th gen for productivity.

Basically AMD is the way to go unless Intel wants to buy market share. Parsing what Hardware unboxed has said the 11900K will be a few % better performance than the 11700K. Once you factor in power consumption and motherboard costs the Intel parts are a long way behind.

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#2685515 1-Apr-2021 19:49

The reviews of the 11900K are damning. MSRP of USD$90 more than a 5800X with worse performance.

Intel are 2 generations away from 10Nm, they have a serious problem and it’s not going away.

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#2685587 1-Apr-2021 21:16

Yep the 11900K got chewed up and spat out by the big tech reviewers, Steve @ GN called it a waste of sand lol. The 11900K is a bust that doesn't OC well, I was nearly gonna go 10th gen or wait for 11th but I got such a good deal on a brand new 5800x (same price as a 5600x) that I'd be stupid to turn it down.

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#2685590 1-Apr-2021 21:19

Dial111:
Yep the 11900K got chewed up and spat out by the big tech reviewers, Steve @ GN called it a waste of sand lol. The 11900K is a bust that doesn't OC well, I was nearly gonna go 10th gen or wait for 11th but I got such a good deal on a brand new 5800x (same price as a 5600x) that I'd be stupid to turn it down.

Hardware unboxed called it a piece of sh!t and Jayz2c said he couldn't really be bothered reviewing it. When things are that dire you've made something pretty dire.

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#2685594 1-Apr-2021 21:26

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