Rural broadband, no initiative in my area

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#747361 19-Jan-2013 14:11

Not sure about distance affecting the ping sorry. I'm pretty close with good line of sight.

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#747368 19-Jan-2013 14:49

Yea as Cyril has mentioned latency is really not an issue. One instance where I bounced ethernet around a farm comes to mind. Got broadband from the main house to almost the back of the farm where the managers quarters are, required 3 sets of m5's to get round the hills. Ran VoIP for the phone too and had no issues. Links were around 1km each.

To get your connection moved you just need to contact your provider. If the house you are moving it to has a line already then you will have to pay for a second line install which last time i checked was around 150. Install the modem, set up the m5's then at your house put a switch and WAP and you will be away.

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#747763 20-Jan-2013 13:10

chevrolux: Yea as Cyril has mentioned latency is really not an issue. One instance where I bounced ethernet around a farm comes to mind. Got broadband from the main house to almost the back of the farm where the managers quarters are, required 3 sets of m5's to get round the hills. Ran VoIP for the phone too and had no issues. Links were around 1km each.

To get your connection moved you just need to contact your provider. If the house you are moving it to has a line already then you will have to pay for a second line install which last time i checked was around 150. Install the modem, set up the m5's then at your house put a switch and WAP and you will be away.

Sounds feasible, thanks!

Coffeebaron has come back to me with advise on a master splitter probably not making much difference, as I'm confident on my single cat5e Ethernet home wiring.

Also, While I'm good for an upfront install cost, unfortunately I'm a rather large content user, around 75 Gb a month in video and apple movie downloads, so the running costs associated with wireless /Gb seem somewhat above my pay grade :( [schoolteacher, single income family of 4]

Anyone know anything about the LOOP EXTENDER idea I read about Telstra AU using?

Even better, Does Anyone have contacts with a fibre/LLU supplier I could present a business case for our cabinet to upgraded? There are over 30 residents signed up from a recent town council meeting, pleading for a faster, high cap plan to be available in our area, and, though fibre would be AWESOME, even decent ADSL would greatly improve our situation, and the local cabinet is within 2 Kim's of the entire town, so 15mbs is entirely likely?

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#747785 20-Jan-2013 14:08

There isn't really such a thing as 'loop extender".

There have been a number of instances of providers installing private DLAM's and DMR backhaul. I just know whether the business case for this would stack up in your area without you fronting with the money for this.

I don't see there would be any plans by Chorus for an upgrade at your locations because are are currently in the wireless RBI coverage area.

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#747789 20-Jan-2013 14:22

Hi Neil,

Would you be able to please Private Message me with your Vodafone customer number and/or telephone number? I will have have a look into your connection and see if there's anything that can be done to improve it at all.

-Alex

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#747960 20-Jan-2013 21:43

sbiddle: There isn't really such a thing as 'loop extender".

There have been a number of instances of providers installing private DLAM's and DMR backhaul. I just know whether the business case for this would stack up in your area without you fronting with the money for this.

I don't see there would be any plans by Chorus for an upgrade at your locations because are are currently in the wireless RBI coverage area.

Maybe i should have called it a DSL repeater?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADSL_loop_extender

A DSL loop extender or DSL repeater is a device that a telephone company can place midway between the subscriber and central office to extend the distance and increase the channel capacity of a DSL connection.
ADSL repeaters are aggressively deployed by rural telephone companies trying to provide rural Internet service to farms and small towns where it is impractical to place the DSLAM closer.[1]
Multiple loop extenders can be placed on a line, making the reach of ADSL effectively infinite. Therefore, any subscriber can get any ADSL speed using multiple loop extenders.

A repeater can either be an amplifier or a re-generator. Amplifiers increase the signal level of the analog transmission signal, whereas re-generators demodulate the signal to binary, then re-modulate it into the original transmission frequency. Because regeneration restores the signal to binary, an indefinite number of re-generators can be placed on a line and is the preferred choice for services like T1 (Digital Signal 1) that have no distance limits. Because of the simplicity of the amplifier circuits, amplifiers cost less than re-generators.
So no-one in NZ deploys or knows about these?

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#747963 20-Jan-2013 21:45

They aren't used in NZ.

You're outside a Chorus RBI DSL area and inside a Chorus RBI wireless area. The simply reality is you're not going to get DSL or any other solution from Chorus.

The simple realkity is if you want a solution you're going to need to engineer it yourself. This could be by partering with somebody who can install a DSLAM or the simpest option if available if to deploy your own commmunity wireless solution. Both can be done pretty easily providing people are willing to front with money.

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#747995 20-Jan-2013 22:28

sbiddle: They aren't used in NZ.

You're outside a Chorus RBI DSL area and inside a Chorus RBI wireless area. The simply reality is you're not going to get DSL or any other solution from Chorus.

The simple realkity is if you want a solution you're going to need to engineer it yourself. This could be by partering with somebody who can install a DSLAM or the simpest option if available if to deploy your own commmunity wireless solution. Both can be done pretty easily providing people are willing to front with money.

NOW we are talking the same language :)

Do you (or anyone else) have links to blogs/forums where this has been discussed, or have ideas of where and who I could go to to begin such a process? (Dslam or Wireless)

How much money are we looking to have to 'front'?

I'm thinking the cheapest/dirtiest method would be your m5 idea, though there'd have to be at least 3 relay stations (which could also have AP's installed there and offer to the people on the access road - but would require volunteers at the correct points to provide electrical power?)

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#748002 20-Jan-2013 22:37

This comes to mind, although there are clear differences. Perhaps they are a 'flexible' organisation that would at least hear you out on your business case http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5007463/Broadband-isolation-over-for-Wellington-suburb

Re: needing 3 relay stations, you could use solar to power the APs, although this would increase complexity and upfront cost

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#748501 21-Jan-2013 22:01

tudorale: Hi Neil,

Would you be able to please Private Message me with your Vodafone customer number and/or telephone number? I will have have a look into your connection and see if there's anything that can be done to improve it at all.

-Alex

PM'd a couple days ago, you still active here? :)

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#749731 23-Jan-2013 17:23

PhantomNVD:
tudorale: Hi Neil,

Would you be able to please Private Message me with your Vodafone customer number and/or telephone number? I will have have a look into your connection and see if there's anything that can be done to improve it at all.

-Alex

PM'd a couple days ago, you still active here? :)

Just a quick note on this, I had been away for the past 2 days however I have meanwhile followed up with Neil over PM. The ADSL line is unfortunately as good as it will ever be under the circumstances (long distance, direct feed to the exchange, equipment which doesn't support long reach profiles). I have recommended that the community engage Chorus around the possibility of sharing the cost of an upgrade - outside of this I would expect a wireless solution to be the most viable alternative as mentioned earlier in this thread.

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#749761 23-Jan-2013 18:34

PhantomNVD:
sbiddle: They aren't used in NZ.

You're outside a Chorus RBI DSL area and inside a Chorus RBI wireless area. The simply reality is you're not going to get DSL or any other solution from Chorus.

The simple realkity is if you want a solution you're going to need to engineer it yourself. This could be by partering with somebody who can install a DSLAM or the simpest option if available if to deploy your own commmunity wireless solution. Both can be done pretty easily providing people are willing to front with money.

NOW we are talking the same language :)

Do you (or anyone else) have links to blogs/forums where this has been discussed, or have ideas of where and who I could go to to begin such a process? (Dslam or Wireless)

How much money are we looking to have to 'front'?

I'm thinking the cheapest/dirtiest method would be your m5 idea, though there'd have to be at least 3 relay stations (which could also have AP's installed there and offer to the people on the access road - but would require volunteers at the correct points to provide electrical power?)

How serious would people be? And where would a point be where a connection could be fed from? What sorts of speeds would people expect?

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#749788 23-Jan-2013 19:36

sbiddle:

How serious would people be? And where would a point be where a connection could be fed from? What sorts of speeds would people expect?

I'm thining 30 to 50 people couldn't really share a single connection (exchange is still only ADSL1, so I'd actually need to partner with someone who could have equipment in the exchange (ie adsl2+ ISAM) and perhaps a dual line at top ADSL speeds would share quite well (comparatively) for 30-50 people 5Km's away?

See http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=66&topicid=11352&page_no=13 for my current 'lan' setup, where essentially 4 houses are all sharing a sub 1Mb connection simply to HAVE a connection that isn't dialup.

I now have the following new info on my exchange:

" There is no long range profile for this customer as they are hosted off a Combo, customer is 5787.9 m from the cabinet, unfortunately the rates are as good as they are going to be.
The current rates are better than what the neighbours are getting. Unable to do NTS as this Neax card type not testable.
If they do not have a splitter installed and there modem is not conencted to the Master JP , they may want to look at getting one installed."

apparently Chorus are the only ones who might be able to improve this, essentially by upgrading the exchange and/or the backhaul to the local cabinet - so i guess thats my next step..... what chances? :(

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#749791 23-Jan-2013 19:51

You can completely forget about a Chorus DSL upgrade because it's never going to happen. Firstly even if the exchange is upgraded you're too far away, and secondly you're not going to get a cabinet closer because your solution is already in place - the Government funded wireless RBI network which is designed to cover people such as you who were outside the RBI DSL upgrade.

Your solutions are either to pool together and partner with somebody to build your own network which would have a lot of variables but could be in the $10k - $20k range or simply use the RBI network that is in place now. I don't know what Vodafone site you would connect to but there are plenty There are upgraded Dual Carrier RBI sites already delivering up to 25+ Mbps.

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#749802 23-Jan-2013 20:10

sbiddle: You can completely forget about a Chorus DSL upgrade because it's never going to happen. Firstly even if the exchange is upgraded you're too far away, and secondly you're not going to get a cabinet closer because your solution is already in place - the Government funded wireless RBI network which is designed to cover people such as you who were outside the RBI DSL upgrade.

Your solutions are either to pool together and partner with somebody to build your own network which would have a lot of variables but could be in the $10k - $20k range or simply use the RBI network that is in place now. I don't know what Vodafone site you would connect to but there are plenty There are upgraded Dual Carrier RBI sites already delivering up to 25+ Mbps.

umm... see what the cell sites map above thinks of ronald ave in Glenbrook and tell me what you think... currently actually looking to get a VF Sure Signal to even get 1 bar coverage throughout my own home, though that might be blacksopts caused locally cos the deck gets 2-3bars on my (old - i know) iPhone3G

do they still sell/provide repeaters, and would this raise the ping and lower the througput if required for signal strength?

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