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#763860 17-Feb-2013 19:29

Hi, Thanks. Could you please post step-by-step on how to connect the phone with the data on the patch panel?

Pics would be appreciated. Thanks very much!

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#763869 17-Feb-2013 19:40

Will get photos up tomorrow. Picture is worth 1000 words.

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#763871 17-Feb-2013 19:55

RE wireless coverage, i'll probably get an AP and connect it to one of the outlets? That reminds me, I could install a single RJ45 outlet at the very top of the hallway and stick the AP there! Probably will get good coverage there?

On second thoughts, there needs to be power. And PoE APs are probably expensive?

Chevrolux, for your parents' 10" cabinet, do they have TV distribution in there as well? If yes, please take pics of that as well. Thanks again.

Oh and also, will the ONT fit in the 10" cabinet with existing equipment in the future?

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#763884 17-Feb-2013 20:44

tp-link do passive power over ethernet APs for stuff all $$.

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#764107 18-Feb-2013 12:19

Right so here is an over view of the panel. There is 2x 12-port panels and a jumper management ring on there. There is also the modem/router, 5port Gigabit switch and PoE injector for the wireless access point. Just below the cabinet is a 4-way plug bank as that won't fit in. I think this shows the true size of the cabinet in relation to the size of the Telecom router - everyone has seen one of those. It is quite a small cabinet. You will not fit an ONT in it nor would a TV amplifier fit. The main reason for doing this was linking up all their TV's for media sharing. Their main desktop computer holds all the movies and then there is Raspberry Pi's at each TV running XBMC (only 2 TVs).
The last 3 outlets on the bottom panel are commoned up and outlet 12 is where the DSL is terminated to.

So next one shows how I bought the cable in to the cabinet. There are knockouts top and bottom but I prefer to have the cables hidden in the cabinet so cut a hole in the back mount of the cabinet. It comes with a bracket that the cabinet essentially just hangs on. I didn't like it so drilled new holes and mounted the cabinet straight on the wall. Two tek screws on the side where the stud is and just normal screws on the other as the garage is lined with MDF. Not really required as the tek screws hold it up no problem.

This photo is of the back of the bottom panel where phone distribution is done. Not extremely elegant and not something I like doing but in this instance works fine. So there is a cable going to the ETP which connects the the xDSL splitter. DSL is then terminated on outlet 12. Voice goes to the alarm and then the tail that comes out of the alarm is common'd up on outlets 9,10,11 by just jumpering it around the 'blue' pair (pins 4&5) on each of those outlets.

Last photo is the wireless access point. I simply poked the cable out the ceiling and terminated with a RJ45 plug. The access point is a Ubiquiti Unifi and hides the cable completely when mounted. Looks really good and very un-obtrusive. Also performs extremely well.

All of this cabling is retro-fitted and was a simple weekend job. They have a brick house so getting down the exterior walls is really easy by just dropping a string down the cavity. I only had to drill down one wall in the kitchen where the sparky's had put the old 2-pair cabling in with the power. Not a big deal as it was bench height so only one nog to get through. Never drill down walls with insulation as it WILL go wrong lol. Think candy floss being made and then just forcing the gib off the wood lol.

Hopefully that gives you something to go off. As I mentioned earlier it is really good for a basic home network but you won't fit too much in the little cabinet. If you want to put a bunch of stuff in the cabinet I would go the the 19" 6U cabinet. You can get the 350mm deep cabinets (which are actually 400mm) but they don't stick out as much as you would think yet still allow plenty of room for gear.

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#765308 18-Feb-2013 17:33

Hi, thanks for that..

So does outlet 12 connect up to the modem/router ?

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#765309 18-Feb-2013 17:34

And what do you mean by "common up"?

Thanks.

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#765343 18-Feb-2013 19:00

Hi, yes if you look at the rear of the panel you can see the Green pair of the filter is going to Pair1 (pins4/5) of port 12, hence the modem plugs into port 12.

Common up means the voice side of the filter is connected to pair1 (pins 4/5)of several sockets (9-11 in this case) so that ports 9 - 11 can be used to patch voice to various outlets around the house.

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#765364 18-Feb-2013 19:38

Okay, so what were each colors of a cable assigned to again? E.g browns are data, blue/green are voice? Or someway round? :)

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#765383 18-Feb-2013 20:38

sonyxperiageek: Okay, so what were each colors of a cable assigned to again? E.g browns are data, blue/green are voice? Or someway round? :)

brown . orange & green are used for ethernet.

Blue is unused for ethernet.

I recently used a daisy chain from my room to my brothers room to hook up an Ethernet port on both sides.

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#765399 18-Feb-2013 21:10

So I take it that the rest is used for voice?

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#765400 18-Feb-2013 21:13

sonyxperiageek: So I take it that the rest is used for voice?

One pair for voice, usually the blue pair.

If a second voice circuit, usually orange is used

Orange and green are for 100 meg ethernet, swapped over for a crossover, but nothing needs it these days.

all 4 are used for gigabit ethernet.

Dont screw around pulling the blue wires out to run a phone places, run more cables since you are doing it you may as well do it right.

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#765498 18-Feb-2013 22:44

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sonyxperiageek: So I take it that the rest is used for voice?

One pair for voice, usually the blue pair.

If a second voice circuit, usually orange is used

Orange and green are for 100 meg ethernet, swapped over for a crossover, but nothing needs it these days.

all 4 are used for gigabit ethernet.

Dont screw around pulling the blue wires out to run a phone places, run more cables since you are doing it you may as well do it right.

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#765508 18-Feb-2013 23:09

You can see the colour code on that panel. The first two pins of each outlet on the back of the panel relate to pins 4&5 of the RJ45 and is always the blue pair. You will be running a cat cable to the etp and you will probably just put your xDSL splitter in the ETP. Normally you would send the voice across to the panel on the blue pair and then just use the orange pair for DSL. Now when you connect the orange dsl pair to the patch panel you will put it in the 'blue' position which comes out on the center pins of the rj45. This means you can plug your standard line cord in to the outlet you choose to be dsl and then plig in your modem as you can see I have done in this instance. In terms of voice for your phones just simply run the 'voice' wire from the etp between as many outlets on the panel as you would like. I have done 3 in this case. You can then see I have simply patched them across (the blue patch leads) to the outlet that has the phone in it. I will soon be converting them to VoIP so will keep those common outlets linked with a piece of wire but will cut off the end that goes to the street. This means I can plug a line cord from the VoIP ATA to one of the common outlets and then still keep it patched out to the two analogue phones.

Clear as mud?

Edit: Just saw your comment about PoE being expensive. That Unifi AP is under $150 retail. Very reasonable considering the quality. Look at Go Wireless for all things wifi.

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#765685 19-Feb-2013 11:57

Dont screw around pulling the blue wires out to run a phone places, run more cables since you are doing it you may as well do it right.

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The goal is that you can then you can patch any outlet in the house to be phone or network as needed by simply using a patch lead from the port on the main patch panel to either your phone hub or network switch/router.

RJ45's keystone's for every outlet, punch the full 8 wires at both the keystone and patch panel end (use T568A wiring layout).

In chevrolux's example he has made the 2nd/lower patch panel a phone "hub" manually but you could just get the Sigtech/Signet 2206 phone hub. It's a bit more obvious and harder to screw up the wiring.
http://www.sigtech.co.nz/webapps/p/72000/105425/466910

For network ports simply use a patch lead from the main patch panel to your network switch/router.

For landline phone ports use RJ45 to RJ11/12 cable from the outlet to the phone. At at the patch panel end use a standard RJ45 patch cable from the port on the patch panel to your phone hub panel.

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