Installing VDSL Router and Ethernet Router in an IP67 enclosure

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#1281857 13-Apr-2015 10:07

ElectronicFerret:
chevrolux: You simply install a VDSL bridge on one of the pairs of the cat5e. This should easily do 100Mbps over that distance. Also they are layer 2 so you can VLAN to your hearts content.

What do you mean by VDSL bridge? Do you mean a modem? Or an active VDSL repeater?

I don't have an option to install above ground. I'm still looking into options at the moment.

Something like this http://www.snappernet.co.nz/product/nv-500

however, as you are under 100M you will be fine without one.

Hmmmm

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#1282172 13-Apr-2015 14:11

Why is the option not there to install above ground? It would be like any rural power meter they hang at the front fence of properties with long driveways.

I used to work on the Chorus network and have also done a number of private developments that involved underground cabling, ducting, pits etc. One job in particular comes to mind....
Retirement village, we were putting in services and comms ducting was shared with phone/tv/nurse call. They (main building contractor) picked out the pits for us as they were supposedly 'sealed' and would allow the TV man to put amps/splitters/whatever in them. We said first time it rains the pit will fill up with water.

Sure enough, first decent amount of rain the pits were full of water despite the very best care taken to seal all ducting and make sure all ends were 'water-tight'. They re-though where the TV gear was going after that. Not matter how hard you try there will always be water ingress if there are any openings in the pit.

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#1282183 13-Apr-2015 14:20

chevrolux: Why is the option not there to install above ground? It would be like any rural power meter they hang at the front fence of properties with long driveways.

I'll investigate further. My power and phone runs through a paddock next door. I have an easement which covers underground electrical and communications. If I were to put a cabinet above ground, it would be either be on my neighbors property or council/roadside. I was hoping to do everything within my legal rights as it is, but I'll check with the neighbor - they might be happy for me to mount a 200x200x100mm locked cabinet on their fence.

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#1308581 20-May-2015 15:53

Did you make any further progress on this?

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#1308592 20-May-2015 16:09

ElectronicFerret: ... I'm Rural and it's to reduce 96 metres off my VDSL run. I'm on the cusp for VDSL, so this 96 metres means a huge difference in speed. ...

How do you know this? It may make very little difference, or a lot of difference.

Don't assume that Chorus tested the line the same way that you did - you may be comparing apples with oranges.

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#1308599 20-May-2015 16:19

hio77: Did you make any further progress on this?

Yes, I ended up getting permission from the land owner and the leaseholder to install mount a small "shoebox sized" enclosure on a fence post.

I increased my VDSL from 23MB/1.2MB to 27/8 - that 100 metres of lead-in was responsible for almost 5dB of attenuation.

I'm still in testing so have run outdoor Cat6 (23AWG copper) down a fence line rather than underground. Because of this, It's currently a 225 metre length rather than the ~100m direct path. To all the naysayers, 1GBit ethernet seems to run perfectly over 225 metres of 23AWG cable between two Mikrotik devices. I don't think the story about the 100 metre limit being due to fragmentation and collision issues applies to a full duplex switched network - I'm pretty sure it's just resistance and inductance/capacitance you need to worry about.

Edit: I am however running PoE at 48 volts down the cable rather than the mikrotik standard 24. At the near end I'm using a Tycon Power 9-36V in, 48V out gigabit injector and at the far end I'm using a trademe sourced 48-12V DC/DC converter. This is purely to reduce the DC voltage drop on such a long run.

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#1308603 20-May-2015 16:24

ElectronicFerret:
hio77: Did you make any further progress on this?

Yes, I ended up getting permission from the land owner and the leaseholder to install mount a small "shoebox sized" enclosure on a fence post.

I increased my VDSL from 23MB/1.2MB to 27/8 - that 100 metres of lead-in was responsible for almost 5dB of attenuation.

I'm still in testing so have run outdoor Cat6 (23AWG copper) down a fence line rather than underground. Because of this, It's currently a 225 metre length rather than the ~100m direct path. To all the naysayers, 1GBit ethernet seems to run perfectly over 225 metres of 23AWG cable between two Mikrotik devices. I don't think the story about the 100 metre limit being due to fragmentation and collision issues applies to a full duplex switched network - I'm pretty sure it's just resistance and inductance/capacitance you need to worry about.

Nice to hear cat6 is running that pretty well without repeating or anything, and that speed boost on your line is certainly nice to see!

What enclosure did you end up using?

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#1308609 20-May-2015 16:29

hio77: What enclosure did you end up using?

I went with a KamFab one from GoWireless - They aren't cheap at ~$180, but they are nice heavy gauge metal (I needed protection against cows with an itch) and I had one spare from a project I never started. The lid screws on with multiple screws, so just feels safer.

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#1310463 23-May-2015 16:45

Any chance of a few photos just out of interest?

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