BT/iPAQ/XP/ICS internet access, so near yet so far!

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#4588 4-Apr-2004 23:58

Just wrote a really long post, then lost it. Great fun. So I will make it shorter this time.
Ok I have nearly exactly the same situation as Bill Caysey, apart from I have an internal adsl modem which acts like an idsn line so I have to dial up, so I can't bridge my bluetooth and internet connection.
I can ping, but I can't do anything else. If I use activesync it works, slowly.
ICS enabled, ICF disabled.
Unbridged Bluetooth network from lan and 1394, so I could set the gateway as the IP for my internet connection, which didn't help.
Any ideas?

EDIT: oops, looks like I didn't lose it. Sorry guys.

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#4589 5-Apr-2004 00:16

Can you ping name or only IP address?

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#4614 6-Apr-2004 05:51

Ok, when I switched on today, I found that although it connected, it wouldn't even ping an IP. So what I did was the following:
1. Deleted all cconnections settings I had
2. Unchecked use dialing rules in dialing locations
3. Re made the interent connection in bluetooth manager

Now I could ping IP addresses again. When it connects now, instead of saying 'Dialing: 1,001,connect' (or something along those lines), it just says 'Dialing: connect' (presumably because I don't have dialing rules). I also bridged the bluetooth network again as that wasn't making any difference. I still can't ping name addresses, although now it takes longer to think about saying 'the page cannot be found'.

Any more ideas?

EDIT: When I connect now activesync on the PDA gives an error, saying it can't connect. It has started pretty much instantly saying 'the page cannot be found' again, and I can't ping an IP address. I did change a few little things, so I don't know which of the settings I changed messed it back up again. If I change back everything again, the problem is still there. This is all very temperamental.

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#4616 6-Apr-2004 07:30

Ok, now I got it working for about 3 seconds. I used activesync for internet. Then I disconnected. Then I reconnected using the normal bluetooth internet connection WITHOUT changing any settings. It worked for about 3 seconds (I went on a couple of sites and it was fast) then set the page could not be found. It's bieng kind though and letting me ping an IP.
Like I said, temperamental.

BTW, sorry if I am bothering you guys, it's just I seem so close to solving it.

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#4619 6-Apr-2004 07:37

dignick, do you have a personal firewall on this machine? This sounds like what Norton or Zone Alarms does to some connections...

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#4633 6-Apr-2004 20:47

Yes. I have norton internet security 2004. I know there have been posts about firewalls, so although I have disabled mine while testing, I am uncomfortable stopping it starting on startup. I will do it, just to test, if nessesary, but I won't leave it unless there is a way of setting it up. Could you assist me in how to set it up to allow these connections?
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#4634 6-Apr-2004 20:50

You have to configure the NIS part where you can define local networks. It'll find all 192.168.x.x devices on your computer, and it should self-configure to allow packets to and from these addresses.

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#4638 7-Apr-2004 07:14

Dignick,

I should point out that I did actually give up on this in the end. I got very close to getting it working but then realised that I was only very rarely using the internet over BT on my iPAQ that I just couldn't be arsed jumping through any more hoops when Activesync was just about doing what I wanted anyway.

I wish you luck with your quest and if you ever completely crack it then please let me know how, but I eventually settled for the workable (Activesync) rather than the perfect.

Good luck sir!

Bill

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#4642 7-Apr-2004 09:52

I have tried disabling NIS on startup, but the problem is still there.
I did think of a possible workaround though. In advanced config (bluetooth) on the PC, if you leave that as a private network instead of an internet/lan connection, then set up a network connection on the PDA, then set the 'bluetooth pan user driver' to connect to the internet, aren't you nearly there anyway? Surely a little configuration on my PC could let me connect? Or maybe that method is not possible. It's just I think this is the way activesync connects, (if you click on the connection symbol at the top on the PDA, it says the internet, like it does when connected via activesync).
Maybe I'm just hoping, but it seems like it might be possible.
If not, like Bill has done, I might just use activesync. Shame that the proper way of connecting though has these problems. Does it normally work fine for the majority?

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#4643 7-Apr-2004 10:18

Ok I just had a sort of mini breakthrough. I now know the difference between not been able to ping and been able to (also between a short wait and a long wait for an error). The reason for that was it had a password in the BT Network Access in connections settings. If I have no password (I can have any user name or domain), then it lets me ping. Now the next step could be to find out if there is a user name and password I should be entering there. I will have a mess around now I can ping with gateways and DNS settings etc, and see if I come up with anything.

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#4644 7-Apr-2004 10:27

Even more success, I can now go to web pages via IP. I think i probably could before when I could ping, I just never tried it. The solution must be near now guys.
It's interesting though, if I disconnect via the connetion symbol at the top, reset, then try it again, I can't ping. If I then delete the modem settings, and connect from bluetooth manager again, it works again. Basically if I use bluetooth manager to connect and disconnect, I can ping, but if I make the mistake of using the symbol at the top, it stops working.

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#4645 7-Apr-2004 10:46

You should not enter any username or password on the connection settings. This is always blank for the LAP access.

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#4646 7-Apr-2004 10:52

Yes. How would you suggest getting it working fully now? (only works with IP's)

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#4647 7-Apr-2004 11:13

You can enter the DNS address on your computer's Bluetooth network adapter configuration. That's where I have mine.

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#4656 7-Apr-2004 20:45

I have now found that whenever I switch of my PDA, or restart it, the connection stops working again (I can't ping). If I then delete the BT modem settings, and connect again in BT manager, it recreates the modem and works. Surely this isn't right?
Also, it stops pinging if I unbridge the bluetooth network connection. When you said
"You can enter the DNS address on your computer's Bluetooth network adapter configuration"
I'm guessing you meant the Bluetooth network connection, and under TCP/IP properties, "use the following DNS server addresses". If I enter the DNS settings here in the network bridge, it doesn't help, and I can't do it when it's unbridged.
Any more ideas?

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