OpenHAB vs Home Assistant.

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#235926 10-May-2018 08:14

I'm fairly all in on OpenHAB....but I see discussions about Home Assistant, and there are aspects of it I like (python vs java, and the number of addons for pre bought toys).

Now a caveat, I don't have a lot of pre bought toys, most of mine are mqtt based, scripts (integration to paradox, temp sensors based on raspberry pi/esp8266/homie).

For these I've found the homeassistant less than simple to set up as all the sensors are in the configuration.yaml or now a sensors.yaml, the config isn't "Pretty" nor straight forward in my eyes. I can get over that....but I don't seem to be able to groupd things nicely.

My HASS looks like:

You can see the single Sensor for Cupboard (23.10) and in the switches the Cupboard (its a rasp pi controlled fan).

In openhab, I can group all these together (and you can see all the extras I also have)

This is the main screen, then the Cupboard group, you can see all the entries in there, how does this work in HASS? and how can you get a similar look - or am I just barking up the wrong tree?

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#2013116 10-May-2018 09:34

How are your temp sensors made?

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#2013146 10-May-2018 10:20

sonyxperiageek:

How are your temp sensors made?

Which one? I have some zwave multisensors, one is raspberry pi with DHT22 connected (using python to mqtt), two are esp8266 using mqtt (homie framework), and there are also some that are on a raspberry pi with a bluetooth adapter, that pulls blutooth advertising packets and pushes these out via mqtt.

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#2013176 10-May-2018 10:29

Watching this thread with keen interest as I'm new to HASS, because I dislike Java, and felt Python has more potential.

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#2013185 10-May-2018 10:37

So in open have all these exist in one config file (with other items that use a dht sensor.

[code]

Number gf_cupboard1_temperature_sensor {mqtt="<[openhab:sensors/dht/cupboard/temperature/degrees:state:default]"}
Number gf_cupboard1_temperature_max "Todays Maximum [%.1f °C]" <temperature> (g_cupboard)
Number gf_cupboard1_temperature_min "Todays Minimum [%.1f °C]" <temperature> (g_cupboard)

Number gf_cupboard1_uptime "Uptime [%s]" <clock> (g_cupboard) {mqtt="<[openhab:sensors/dht/cupboard/$uptime:state:default]"}
Contact gf_cupboard1_online "Online [%s]" (g_cupboard) {mqtt="<[openhab:sensors/dht/cupboard/$online:state:MAP(onoff.map)]"}

/* Fan control switch */
Switch gf_cupboard1_fan "Fan Control [%s]" <fan> (g_cupboard,g_controlpersist) ["Switchable"] {mqtt=">[openhab:sensors/dht/cupboard/fan:command:ON:1],>[openhab:sensors/dht/cupboard/fan:command:OFF:0],<[openhab:sensors/dht/cupboard/fanstate:state:default]"}

[/code]

In HASS I have a sensors.yaml being read....would be nice to break them down further, but I couldn't get the directory loading to work./

#master bedroom
- platform: mqtt
name: 'Master Bedroom'
state_topic: sensors/dht/brmaster/temperature/degrees

#Cupboard bedroom
- platform: mqtt
name: 'Cupboard'
state_topic: sensors/dht/cupboard/temperature/degrees

#Garage
- platform: mqtt
name: 'Garage'
state_topic: sensors/d1mini/garage-sensor/temperature/degrees

But I can see a way of assigning them to a group or location to pretty up the interface"

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#2013244 10-May-2018 11:28

In my configuration.yaml I have the following:

group: !include groups.yaml

and then a separate file called groups.yaml that looks like this:

which does this in the UI:

Note you can have multiple tabs. I have my cameras in a separate tab.

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#2013246 10-May-2018 11:32

ok, so that seems to be the equivalent (almost) to a sitemap in OH, so where are the entities? like the aeotec sensors?

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#2013251 10-May-2018 11:37

davidcole:

ok, so that seems to be the equivalent (almost) to a sitemap in OH, so where are the entities? like the aeotec sensors?

If you go to <<YOUR-HA-URL>>/dev-state (or click the < > icon under Developer Tools on the left panel), you can see all the entities and their names. Grab the name and put it in a group.

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#2013253 10-May-2018 11:39

ajobbins:

davidcole:

ok, so that seems to be the equivalent (almost) to a sitemap in OH, so where are the entities? like the aeotec sensors?

If you go to <<YOUR-HA-URL>>/dev-state (or click the < > icon under Developer Tools on the left panel), you can see all the entities and their names. Grab the name and put it in a group.

But where are these all defined, or are all yours prebuilt toys? So You've not had to configure them?

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#2013255 10-May-2018 11:42

davidcole:

But where are these all defined, or are all yours prebuilt toys? So You've not had to configure them?

Pretty much all using HA components that result in the entity creation.

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#2013259 10-May-2018 11:44

ajobbins:

davidcole:

But where are these all defined, or are all yours prebuilt toys? So You've not had to configure them?

Pretty much all using HA components that result in the entity creation.

Booo, and you call yourself a geek.

So I think I was on the right path. Create all the sensors things, then the next step if to do all that group and entities stuff you've got.

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#2013267 10-May-2018 11:50

@ajobbins > @davidcole

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#2013282 10-May-2018 12:05

David, which one do you prefer to use going forward?

I use OpenHAB for special jobs at the moment, but few customers said I should try Home Assistance

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#2013289 10-May-2018 12:13

I currently prefer openHAB. And are just building a new odroid based system.

But I’ll keep playing with hass as there are good aspects to it

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#2013385 10-May-2018 13:34

graphing (storing and reterving) was the biggest downfall in HA for me. i found i couldn't mix wanting a long term view and short term without it totally killing browsers in GPU draws.

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#2013449 10-May-2018 14:52

hio77:

graphing (storing and reterving) was the biggest downfall in HA for me. i found i couldn't mix wanting a long term view and short term without it totally killing browsers in GPU draws.

I tend to have all my data directly in influxdb....and use grafana separately for graphing....but not extensively.

I assume HA has some sort of single state persistence? In OH it's called mapdb. With Series data going to influx/mysql

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