Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models'

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#1923934 23-Dec-2017 09:06

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Apple are the most unethical company you can get,

That's a pretty strong statement to make. So there's no worse company in the world?

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#1923954 23-Dec-2017 10:52

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To me the "slow down" is a non issue. They have capped the CPU for high loads, which isn't the typical use for an iPhone anyway.

AND, I would much rather my phone get ever so slightly slower than it crashing all the time. Because that is their stated reason for doing it.

I have experienced the problem they have solved in the latest iOS updates: Phone with older or worn battery, low temperatures and high CPU load: The phone does a hard reboot. NOT fun.

If enough people have a problem with it, I think Apple should add an option to turn that off. With a text like "I don't want the CPU to be managed and I am fine with my phone just randomly hard rebooting".

a new OS designed to crash a $1500 iphone (7 plus for example) is deliberate IMO. I'm waiting for someone to tell me their engineers can't design the OS any other way.

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#1924028 23-Dec-2017 12:09

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a new OS designed to crash a $1500 iphone (7 plus for example) is deliberate IMO.

Fairly sure it's the opposite to this - it's designed to stop it crashing, not make it crash. Phones were crashing under high CPU/power load as the battery drained - the update stops this from happening, but does it by negatively impacting performance without alerting the user. It's the not alerting the user that seems to be the contentious issue.

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#1924055 23-Dec-2017 13:37

DarthKermit:

Another tactic to encourage you to replace your tech with newer stuff.

Or Simply get a new battery fitted?

I think Older iphones should have a notifaction that pops up saying something like "Hey your battery has degraded past 20% of it's capacity we are now going to reduice The CPUs clock rate to compensate . Please consider replacing your battery to restore performance."

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#1924068 23-Dec-2017 14:20

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Batman:[snip]

a new OS designed to crash a $1500 iphone (7 plus for example) is deliberate IMO.

Fairly sure it's the opposite to this - it's designed to stop it crashing, not make it crash. Phones were crashing under high CPU/power load as the battery drained - the update stops this from happening, but does it by negatively impacting performance without alerting the user. It's the not alerting the user that seems to be the contentious issue.

Who makes phones that crashes when CPU is under load?

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#1924075 23-Dec-2017 14:48

RunningMan:

Batman:[snip]

a new OS designed to crash a $1500 iphone (7 plus for example) is deliberate IMO.

Fairly sure it's the opposite to this - it's designed to stop it crashing, not make it crash. Phones were crashing under high CPU/power load as the battery drained - the update stops this from happening, but does it by negatively impacting performance without alerting the user. It's the not alerting the user that seems to be the contentious issue.

Agree. Conspiracy tells us its to force us to buy every year. If it was that bad, iPhones would have a global reputation for slowing down, thats not how you grow sales.

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#1924076 23-Dec-2017 14:51

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RunningMan:

Batman:[snip]

a new OS designed to crash a $1500 iphone (7 plus for example) is deliberate IMO.

Fairly sure it's the opposite to this - it's designed to stop it crashing, not make it crash. Phones were crashing under high CPU/power load as the battery drained - the update stops this from happening, but does it by negatively impacting performance without alerting the user. It's the not alerting the user that seems to be the contentious issue.

Who makes phones that crashes when CPU is under load?

When any phone runs low on battery, the best way to avoid overloading a low battery, i.e. asking the battery for power when the power is low and probably less reliable and less constant drain, is to extend the battery. What do you do when you're almost out of gas, 30km from a gas station, do you floor it?? You back off to make it last

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#1924078 23-Dec-2017 14:54

My understanding is that it's not when the battery is low, it's when the battery is past a certain cycles your phone loses 5th gear. There is a feature they can use when the battery is low, it's called low power mode.

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#1924080 23-Dec-2017 14:55

To get my head around this, a new battery supplies 100% power for the life of the charge cycle.

If the battery health is say half its lifetime cycles, say 500 cycles, I took that to mean that it will last less time between charges, but to give the normal power in that shorter time. Does it also give less peak power?

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#1924106 23-Dec-2017 15:04

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Who makes phones that crashes when CPU is under load?

Apple. It's what this thread is about. The phone crashes and powers off unexpectedly (when there is a high power demand such as high CPU usage) as though the battery has gone instantly flat even though it shows significant charge left. They released a software update that reduces the phone performance (and hence power demand) when the battery is in poor condition, but didn't tell anyone.

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#1924222 23-Dec-2017 18:21

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I wasn't surprised that certain people made certain comments in their defense. Some people will forgive companies anything.

Best is when such an uncritical follower tries to teach you, how the world could be improved by changing our habits.

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#1924229 23-Dec-2017 18:43

Tinkerisk:

networkn:

I wasn't surprised that certain people made certain comments in their defense. Some people will forgive companies anything.

Best is when such an uncritical follower tries to teach you, how the world could be improved by changing our habits.

If this was an Android issue, there will be the same forgiveness. Like many other topics, having an honest discussion can be difficult due to inherent bias.

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#1924319 23-Dec-2017 23:23

tdgeek:

If this was an Android issue, there will be the same forgiveness. Like many other topics, having an honest discussion can be difficult due to inherent bias.

Android vs. iOS isn't the point. The problem is monopolization driven by uncritism. *see here*

Edit: I just compared the actual price of the cheapest iPhone X with a Moto G5 I recently bought for my son: 1149,- € vs. 119,- €. This is nearly a 10:1 ratio which can't only be explained by 'technical leadership, design, features, more Apps or plain cuteness' in the same ratio. So it must be 'something' else to pay that price. Often same people look for the lowest price they can affort but when it comes to Apple, they nearly pay any price, each year, each model, for each tiny 'improvement' (driven by marketing, not technology step) for a phone, who's battery can't be replaced by user (nogo for me), who's memory can't be extended by user (nogo for me) and a manipulated lifetime by OS without user agreement (nogo for me as well). Throw-away by design. Insane.

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#1924325 23-Dec-2017 23:25

This issue will cost Apple for sure...particularly among new buyers who were wavering between android and IOS.

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#1924345 24-Dec-2017 06:37

As an iPhone owner I am unimpressed. I own my hardware I do not lease it from Apple I should have been given the choice with this. Apple should have been open and made this an optional install or with the install rovided a yes/no switch.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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