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#2611750 27-Nov-2020 12:58

+1 @1024kb

No expert at all myself but might imagine you have to really know what you are doing when it comes to APPLE laptops

Only a (very) few APPLE laptop models are really any decent good or use to mid-high end users at all*

Most supply massive short-comings, which can often take a while to show themselves

Some are toys, like the stupidly gutless 2014 Mini's they inflicted buyers w/

Research to achieve your end - goal

Understand 1024kb's comment

1024kb

The remarks I made about DDR3, Staingate, butterfly keyboards & lower-spec processors* are factually correct.

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#2611823 27-Nov-2020 14:24

In other, completely unrelated news:

The M1 MacBook Air (and M1 MacBook Pro) are now the best laptops regardless of operating system. They’re the new gold standard by which all laptops will be judged, and this is just the start. In a few years, we’ll look back and wonder how we ever tolerated laptops with anything less than this kind of performance.

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#2611913 27-Nov-2020 15:33

When having these arguments noone ever seem to take account of the user's computer proficiency.

I don't like Macs because I dislike computers generally, but I buy Macs because it's the only thing I can use. Maybe they have fewer megathingies per dollar spent, but I wouldn't notice.

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#2611923 27-Nov-2020 15:59

Removed on post for abusing someone. Also edited a post that used "funny" names for a company.

You folks know this is not acceptable.

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#2611968 27-Nov-2020 17:27

1024kb:
Handle9:

Have you got any evidence of what you are claiming here or is it just your reckon?

Read my words. "Generally" & "around" are what qualifies the line as a non-specific opinion. I can though, for the benefit of fanbois, expound. Macs are a premium-priced computer to start with. They do however come with very basic spec standard & really do require upgrade on order. I mean who thinks that a 128GB SSD is sufficient? This upgrade process is where they get very expensive. Apple have the policy of charging for the upgrade part (fair enough) but forgetting to refund for the part being replaced. You want 16GB RAM? They're going to charge you for 16GB even though you only need 8GB additional.

Today, if you purchase an EOL standard 13" MBP i5, 8GB, 512GB machine, Apple will charge you $3299. Dell's equivalent XPS with faster i5 (4.2GHz vs 3.8GHz) can be owned for $1767. Granted, not half price exactly but around half price, only $117 over. Nice to see Apple putting useful storage in these EOL laptops.

The remarks I made about DDR3, Staingate, butterfly keyboards & lower-spec processors are factually correct. All protest & indignant replies on a postcard please.

Don't get me wrong, I use Apple product - typing on my iPad Pro right now. I'm not blinded by the hype though, they're just a computer. Apple make solidly built product & charge a substantial premium for it. Buying into the Apple range does not grant you entry to computer Nirvana, they say their kit "just works" but often it only just works.

I did read your words. They were trolling and add very little to a meaningful discussion. Using derogatory terms like fanbois makes you seem a little unhinged.

You made the claim of half the performance for twice the price which is dumb. You haven't talked anywhere about performance of the computer in use. You've talked a little about specs.

Ridiculous claims get pretty tiresome.

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#2611985 27-Nov-2020 18:07

Benjip:
In other, completely unrelated news:

The M1 MacBook Air (and M1 MacBook Pro) are now the best laptops regardless of operating system. They’re the new gold standard by which all laptops will be judged, and this is just the start. In a few years, we’ll look back and wonder how we ever tolerated laptops with anything less than this kind of performance.

This type of hyperbole isn't useful either. Mac's and MacBooks are very nice computers that are great at some tasks and not others. It really comes down to use cases and personal preference. Sweeping statements either way are just trolling or click bait.

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#2611997 27-Nov-2020 18:14

Tee hee. Fanbois is only derogatory if you choose to take it that way. Me, I encourage your devotion, you should celebrate it.

Some people are food devotees, we call them foodies - it is not an insult (unless you choose to feel that way.) Apple enthusiasts are known as fanbois. If someone, anyone, was to point their finger at me & recite "you're a fanbois, you're a fanbois" I would not find it insulting.

Occasionally I do get banter over my Manchester United addiction. Harass me all you like, I'll be red til I'm dead. This is a life lesson really, if you stop taking offence from inoffensive words, you'll find that life suddenly has far less moments of upset for you. It's entirely up to you to decide how you choose to feel.

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#2612002 27-Nov-2020 18:33

Zal:

100% your hardware. Windows 10 is an excellent OS. And it isn't terrible.

Wasting your time with what you have.

Go out an get a Elitebook 840 G3 for like $400 bucks and you'll be fine.

+1 windows 10 is an excellent OS. Never had any issues with it. We regularly rebuild pcs/laptops in this house and have never had a failed install that wasn't hardware related (failed SSD).

On the other hand it tool me 3 weekends of farting around trying to reinstall MacOS on a 2012 Mac mini. Internet recovery is a joke on older devices (expired certs, failed downloads). Making a bootable USB requires 3rd party tools.

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#2612006 27-Nov-2020 18:44

I personally loathe working on Mac's; machine or OS when it comes to Apple nothing is ever easy.

Two factor authentication for example is a total PITA.

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#2612012 27-Nov-2020 18:57

tchart:
Zal:

100% your hardware. Windows 10 is an excellent OS. And it isn't terrible.

Wasting your time with what you have.

Go out an get a Elitebook 840 G3 for like $400 bucks and you'll be fine.

+1 windows 10 is an excellent OS. Never had any issues with it. We regularly rebuild pcs/laptops in this house and have never had a failed install that wasn't hardware related (failed SSD).

On the other hand it tool me 3 weekends of farting around trying to reinstall MacOS on a 2012 Mac mini. Internet recovery is a joke on older devices (expired certs, failed downloads). Making a bootable USB requires 3rd party tools.

To all that have commented on the post first, all fantastic arguments but I was not intending people to start throw **** at each other so stop that please.

To the comment I have quoted and the comment they quoted. Firstly the quoted comment yes the 840 G3 is a nice laptop, however still does not achieve what I am looking for and I have a quad core i5 2500 and according to the spec's of my core compared to the i5 in the G3, my one still out performs it, the only differences is that the G3 core runs Graphics 520, mine is Graphics 2000, but if I go 3d modelling on a laptop I am going to get it to over heat eventually faster than I am going to a desktop, it you understand how fast threads get destroyed with to much heat.

To the person I actually quoted. As you might know in the tech world it is know that when Windows updates, they downgrade your performance, I find the fact they want to pile loads of bloat ware into there software now and the fact I keep having issues with the sysmain service taking up a lot of my resources all the time, I have gotten sick of it. Yes I could disable that service, its not an important services but no the last I have just gotten sick of it.

As someone pointed out, its not the hardware or the OS, its down to the user, your experience is in Windows and its hardware and not Macs and MacOS hence why you had issues.

Like I said I have used Windows since 2006, I know the ins and outs of building and rebuilding my own computers, plus I have a half finished bachelor in computer science and then decided I needed a phyiscal job to do, hence why I am now doing Construction Management. However on top of using windows since 2006, I have been using an ipad and iphone for the last 5 years and know the ins and outs of them and have done a fair bit of research on MacOS and the hardware.

When it comes down to it, an iMac will do everything I need it to do and integrate nicely with the other apple products in the house.

On the note of MacOS compared to Windows, MacOS is design to run on the hardware it has, just like an ipad does and it will out perform a windows computer graphics wise anyday, unless you have gone and spent the 500 to 1200 dollars on a top of the line graphics card and have the right size power supply.

I simply won't to experience the other side since I have used windows for so long and MacOS doesn't fill its system with loads of ****ware, I would also prefer the all in one, after having a box for so long.

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#2612013 27-Nov-2020 19:01

Benjip:
In other, completely unrelated news:

The M1 MacBook Air (and M1 MacBook Pro) are now the best laptops regardless of operating system. They’re the new gold standard by which all laptops will be judged, and this is just the start. In a few years, we’ll look back and wonder how we ever tolerated laptops with anything less than this kind of performance.

Yes they are very appealing, no argument there.

Problem is Apples end game, it's a slow death march to zero upgradability and walled garden.

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#2612034 27-Nov-2020 19:51

I would also like to point out a couple of other things too

Firstly 1024kb, the comments being said about his posts on this thread, out of everyone that has post, not including the people posting to offer me their mac's. 1024kb is the only one that has behind the scenes has actually offered me help in fixing my issues, due to my course I have to keep the Windows computer too, and the fact I am a firm supporter of both Adobe and Autodesk software, plus my course requires me to use those apps, means I am stuck for the time being with needing a windows computer.

Secondly I would like to point out the hardware facts of the iMac's, I have been doing some research and if I was going to build a windows computer with the specs of an iMac, I would be spending the same price of the $2199 of more.

Box around $300 min

Good quality power supply with enough power out put $400 to $750

Motherboard $200 to $350

CPU i3 $200 to $300, i7 $400 to $600.

That alone I am already past the price of a mac mini.... we won't stop there tho

SSD $150 to $250 for a good quality and reliable 250gb one - wouldn't be enough for me so up that to $350 to $450 for 1Tb

Graphic Card (this really blows the bank) around $1400 to $1800 for a graphics with the same power as the Radeon Pro 555x thats in the Mac

WOW what about a screen

To match the 4K screen on the iMac - Asus VT229H, this is apparently the best 4k screen you can get and its not Retina either and trust me there is a differences. The Asus VT229H is $300 min

I just spent $2950 on a machine that is using all the lower prices I listed, over 4k if I go for the specs I would want as the same as the Mac

Oh wait I forgot about the RAM

Low volt, no heat protection 8gb of 2400mhz $70 and around $150 for good quality with heat protection ram

WOW I just bought 2 iMac's (joking comment)

iMac, cuts out all the work, all brand new parts, with a warranty too, support and OS included.

The Windows computer I just custom built, only comes with parts warranty, individual support for the different parts and still no OS on it WOW

iMac for you money's worth

As I stated on my first post I am just looking from now and can't afford much. However I have been offered two broken iMac's both with different problems, however I would not pay for something that is broken and I would have to repair myself since I couldn't afford the repair through apple.

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#2612086 27-Nov-2020 22:23

@WinNZ90 sorry this thread turned into a bit of a shade throwing contest. If you'd like help with sorting your PC out of suggest starting a new thread and mention the exact issues you are having.

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#2612255 28-Nov-2020 14:45

/ thread.

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#2612608 29-Nov-2020 11:31

Very nice of you offering the OP assistance @1024kb

WinNZ90:1024kb is the only one that has behind the scenes has actually offered me help

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