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tknz

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#207681 8-Jan-2017 15:47
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I just wanted to quickly write a post of my experience after changing from Vodafone VDSL to Stuff Fibre.

 

Firstly, it was disappointing that Vodafone do not support gigabit UFB yet other than their "Fibre X" product which is delivered over the Hybrid Fibre Coax Network around Wellington. I live on the western hills of Lower Hutt so this is unavailable. 

 

In terms of sign up process it was interesting to note during ISP selection how many providers, including Vodafone have a slow update process in terms of fibre UFB availability from Chorus. Chorus report immediately when their products are available at your address and only a handful of service providers have this information within the next few days. This is only important to impatient people like myself that want to get the fibre transition process underway as soon as possible. Stuff Fibre were one of the providers that have the information immediately available so signup was possible as soon as Chorus clicked the available button for my address. Out of interest fibre was recorded as "available" with Vodafone 4 weeks after, in-fact I was already connected to Stuff Fibre when Vodafone realised it was available. 

 

Now in terms of commercials for Stuff Fibre it's an interesting model which appeals to me:

 

* $89.50 Per Month for 200mb/s down and up

 

* $25 Per Month Extra for the speed upgrade Gig Down / 500mbps Up.

 

* No Contract Term

 

* No Installation Fee

 

* Free Router (Which you have to give back when you disconnect)

 

So I was wondering where the hooks are, I've been connected for a few months now and it appears there are none!

 

What about Technical Details?

 

Well - the way the network is designed is interesting to say the least, but there are big benefits for consumers like us. Firstly through a bit of discovery using BGP looking glasses around NZ and the internet + Traceroute it appears that the service is backed and provided by CallPlus. CallPlus have peering arrangements with many providers it would appear, Vodafone, Wellington Internet Exchange however the most important would appear to be Orcon which seems to provide considerable backhaul. Orcon is then backed by Vocus which most people here would know are very well connected so in terms of latency, connectivity and reachability hop lengths are very short, latency is low and speed is very fast.

 

On my first comment that the network is designed in an interesting way, I say this because each customer appears to be within it's own VLAN from Chorus and within a /30 address block. While this is great for the consumer in the sense that I get the same Public IP address every time, it also means that CallPlus are burning 4 IP addresses per customer for each service which is a bit crazy. (network, gateway, customer, broadcast). Given that Stuff-Fibre give you the router (which I don't use) I would have thought they could select a device that supports /31 subnets of only two addresses for point to point connections. You would think that we aren't running out of IP addresses given that it appears CallPlus burn 4 Public IP addresses on every residential customer.

 

Stuff-Fibre do not deploy CGNAT you receive your single PUBLIC address within the /30 Subnet via DHCP on VLAN 10 just like most other services delivered over Chorus Network. Better yet, because of the network design (it appears a VLAN per customer) it's highly likely that that IP will remain the same for you all the time. (I've never had it change since installation).

 

Wellington Traffic appears to be mostly handed of in Wellington, along with other regions which smaller service providers can't always do. (They sometimes backhaul everything to one or two locations then go from there)

 

With my place of work being connected directly to Vocus I've found connectivity to be extremely fast line speed, while international connectivity has also been up in the 500-600mbps arena also.

 

So all in all, i'm impressed with price with no terms and no installation costs and the service provided. I've used chat a few times and found the person at the end to be technical and able to answer my questions.

 

The service doesn't currently appear to have IPv6 offered on the VLAN, it would be an easy change for them considering the current architecture hopefully that is in the pipeline.

 

Oh and regarding the bad? I've got nothing really to say.

 

Thanks for Reading!


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  #1700238 8-Jan-2017 15:49
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VodafoneNZ offer 1Gbp/s over Fibre and HFC

It's called Vodafone Fibre Max and has been offered for a little while now

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  #1700240 8-Jan-2017 15:57
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Linux: VodafoneNZ offer 1Gbp/s over Fibre and HFC

It's called Vodafone Fibre Max and has been offered for a little while now

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probably wasnt when they signed up because as you know vodafone and spark were late to that party


tknz

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  #1700243 8-Jan-2017 16:02
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Linux: VodafoneNZ offer 1Gbp/s over Fibre and HFC

It's called Vodafone Fibre Max and has been offered for a little while now

Linux

 

Thanks! I should have clarified it wasn't available for signup when I got Stuff-Fibre back in Oct/Nov I believe the Fibre Max product became available Early December 2016, less than a month ago? - Press Release on Scoop was Dec 13, 2016.




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  #1700278 8-Jan-2017 19:01
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It looks like the base ($90/mth) plan is currently 100/20 rather than 200/200.

 

 

 

Also FYI Orcon and Callplus/Slingshot are part of Vocus now.





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  #1700289 8-Jan-2017 19:36
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Tuikapo, thanks for a good read. It was more interesting than all the PR/news items I've read.


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  #1709149 25-Jan-2017 08:45
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Detruire:

 

It looks like the base ($90/mth) plan is currently 100/20 rather than 200/200.

 

 

 

Also FYI Orcon and Callplus/Slingshot are part of Vocus now.

 



This is correct.

The addon allows you to have the fastest speed in your area. Which also includes Vocus network limitations.

I get horrible speeds consistently with stuff and it's clear vocus are not concerned, so I am migrating to spark (I also got a good deal)


jandal160165
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  #1717959 9-Feb-2017 21:46
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Hi  how is Spark working out for you?  Stuff isn't going so good for me.  Here i am on the 1gbps plan.  What a joke


 
 
 

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  #1717961 9-Feb-2017 21:51
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I am in Nelson.  is there anyone else around in Nelson that is getting good speed results?  I just want to change provider.  I am no contract and went from My Republic to this ....


tknz

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  #1717991 9-Feb-2017 22:55
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Seems reasonable in wellington speed testing to Citylink Wellington and Vocus Auckland

 

 

 


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  #1718006 9-Feb-2017 23:41
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jandal160165:

 

 

I am in Nelson.  is there anyone else around in Nelson that is getting good speed results?  I just want to change provider.  I am no contract and went from My Republic to this ....

 

 

@jandal160165 you testing over wi-fi or from a machine with a Gigabit ethernet connection to your router?  Is everything else stopped / disconnected?  I'd be very surprised to see that kind of performance on any fibre connection.


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  #1718408 10-Feb-2017 18:51
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jandal160165:

 

 

Hi  how is Spark working out for you?  Stuff isn't going so good for me.  Here i am on the 1gbps plan.  What a joke

 

 

The person you are replying to can't respond as they are no longer a member of this forum.


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  #1718410 10-Feb-2017 19:05
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Would you mind performing a /tracert to 124.150.157.158?

 

I'm curious the route Stuff uses to get a connection to servers in Japan.

 

Thanks


jandal160165
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  #1718434 10-Feb-2017 20:14
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Apologies I was on wifi.  Download speed just isn't ever quite where it needs to be.  I was hoping it would be more.  I was told Nelson had been upgraded to gigabyte status whatever that means.  Anyone using Spark in the Nelson area on UFB?

 

Traceroute has started…

 

traceroute to 124.150.157.158 (124.150.157.158), 64 hops max, 72 byte packets
1 router.asus.com (192.168.1.1) 0.603 ms 0.308 ms 0.218 ms
2 v1.cpcwn2-bng1.tranzpeer.net (101.98.0.92) 13.298 ms 13.595 ms 13.053 ms
3 * * *
4 pts-s.cpcak4-r1.tranzpeer.net (101.98.5.21) 23.186 ms 22.739 ms 22.671 ms
5 bundle-100.bdr02.akl05.akl.vocus.net.nz (175.45.102.65) 23.411 ms 22.799 ms 23.082 ms
6 bundle-10.cor01.akl05.akl.vocus.net.nz (114.31.202.100) 161.179 ms 160.998 ms 161.145 ms
7 ten-0-0-0-2.cor03.syd03.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.199.116) 161.121 ms 161.042 ms 161.187 ms
8 bundle-106.cor01.syd04.nsw.vocus.net.au (175.45.72.120) 160.641 ms 160.015 ms 159.657 ms
9 ten-0-0-0.bdr01.hkg01.hkg.vocus.net (119.161.84.28) 161.081 ms 161.002 ms 161.091 ms
10 80.81.68.157 (80.81.68.157) 229.567 ms 230.023 ms 229.720 ms
11 xe-1-3-0.0.cji02.hkg003.flagtel.com (62.216.128.78) 244.391 ms 246.218 ms 244.030 ms
12 85.95.27.174 (85.95.27.174) 243.437 ms 243.167 ms 243.042 ms
13 ge-3-2-0.0.pjr01.wad001.flagtel.com (85.95.25.130) 243.727 ms
so-0-1-2.0.pjr02.wad001.flagtel.com (85.95.26.138) 240.657 ms 241.165 ms
14 so-7-0-0.0.cjr04.tok002.flagtel.com (85.95.25.198) 243.810 ms 243.166 ms 240.871 ms
15 62.216.144.238 (62.216.144.238) 244.503 ms 244.026 ms 306.343 ms
16 61.195.56.129 (61.195.56.129) 234.138 ms 233.919 ms 252.598 ms
17 219.117.144.66 (219.117.144.66) 248.264 ms 248.153 ms 275.890 ms
18 219.117.144.53 (219.117.144.53) 241.011 ms 240.545 ms 240.424 ms
19 219.117.144.41 (219.117.144.41) 241.292 ms 240.929 ms 241.398 ms
20 219.117.147.190 (219.117.147.190) 234.839 ms 234.656 ms 240.368 ms
21 124.150.157.158 (124.150.157.158) 238.434 ms 240.004 ms 238.141 ms


jandal160165
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  #1727327 27-Feb-2017 19:02
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Just in from work and have been connected to Spark and have told Stuff to forget it.  Am in Nelson and results are promising.  This is the speed Stuff was supposed to be giving me and they never did.

 

Traceroute has started…

 

 

 

traceroute to 124.150.157.158 (124.150.157.158), 64 hops max, 72 byte packets

 

1  192.168.1.254 (192.168.1.254)  2.131 ms  0.483 ms  0.400 ms

 

2  * * *

 

3  * * *

 

4  * * *

 

5  ae5-2.akbr7.global-gateway.net.nz (210.55.202.213)  14.610 ms  14.106 ms  14.464 ms

 

6  ae1-10.tkbr12.global-gateway.net.nz (202.50.232.37)  15.044 ms  14.837 ms  14.606 ms

 

7  122.56.119.49 (122.56.119.49)  38.060 ms  37.965 ms  37.629 ms

 

8  122.56.119.86 (122.56.119.86)  38.250 ms  51.620 ms  37.925 ms

 

9  i-0-12-0-0.sydp01.bi.telstraglobal.net (202.84.223.14)  40.078 ms  39.700 ms  41.055 ms

 

10  i-0-1-0-22.sydp-core04.bi.telstraglobal.net (202.84.223.13)  39.275 ms  39.811 ms  40.572 ms

 

11  i-0-5-0-2.siko-core03.bx.telstraglobal.net (202.84.141.234)  151.411 ms  151.685 ms  151.769 ms

 

12  i-0-0-0-0.jtha01.bi.telstraglobal.net (202.47.216.145)  151.852 ms  151.400 ms  151.777 ms

 

13  squareco.asianetcom.net (203.192.149.210)  224.424 ms  224.838 ms  224.695 ms

 

14  61.195.56.129 (61.195.56.129)  151.758 ms  151.484 ms  151.508 ms

 

15  219.117.144.66 (219.117.144.66)  151.421 ms  151.570 ms  179.976 ms

 

16  219.117.144.45 (219.117.144.45)  151.364 ms  151.102 ms  151.419 ms

 

17  219.117.144.29 (219.117.144.29)  151.949 ms  151.573 ms  151.558 ms

 

18  219.117.147.186 (219.117.147.186)  152.166 ms  151.678 ms  151.471 ms

 

19  124.150.157.158 (124.150.157.158)  151.749 ms  151.792 ms  152.035 ms


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