[Wanted] Gaming Routing Testing/Info

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75 posts

Master Geek

#1157986 19-Oct-2014 18:13

BigPipeNZ: since Myrepublic are promising special low latency routing as a differentiator, it makes complete sense to compare to existing ISPs.

Agreed, but we can conduct our own trace route to compare. I don't care for what other ISP's latency results are. Would you care for my Snap! tests? not really, they don't offer "low latency" as a feature on their plans. No other ISP does, so we don't need to see others to compare. If Slingshot offered "low latency" as a feature on their plans, then we can have those results to compare with, because its relevant.

BigPipeNZ

1170 posts

Uber Geek

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BigPipe

#1157999 19-Oct-2014 18:51

HawK89:
BigPipeNZ: since Myrepublic are promising special low latency routing as a differentiator, it makes complete sense to compare to existing ISPs.

Agreed, but we can conduct our own trace route to compare. I don't care for what other ISP's latency results are. Would you care for my Snap! tests? not really, they don't offer "low latency" as a feature on their plans. No other ISP does, so we don't need to see others to compare. If Slingshot offered "low latency" as a feature on their plans, then we can have those results to compare with, because its relevant.

Well I disagree. If Myrepublic (or anyone) are offering special routing, then we need to compare to other ISPs (whether they do or do not offer it) to see just how useful the special routing is.
I'd be very interested to see Snap's tracerts compared to Myrepublics. Snap don't offer 'custom routing' (and neither do we at Bigpipe) so I would expect our performance to be worse. But will it be worse? If so, just how much worse is the question. 2ms? 10ms? 50ms?

Here is a Bigpipe VDSL test

tracert 216.52.241.254

Tracing route to riotgames-17.ext1.lax.pnap.net [216.52.241.254]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms NF4V.Home [192.168.20.1]
2 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 210.54.32.0
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms g7-2-8-201.akbr6.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.118.65]
5 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms ae5-2.akbr7.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.213]
6 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms ae1-10.tkbr12.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.37]
7 161 ms 161 ms 130 ms xe2-3-1.lebr7.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.127.22]
8 161 ms 161 ms 161 ms ae0-10.lebr8.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.42]
9 130 ms 130 ms 130 ms ae-8.r00.lsanca19.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.203.45]
10 161 ms 162 ms 162 ms ae-17.r05.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.6.180]
11 164 ms 164 ms 164 ms ae-0.internap.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.203.98]
12 136 ms 136 ms 135 ms riotgames-17.ext1.lax.pnap.net [216.52.241.254]

Trace complete.

bigpipe.co.nz
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https://twitter.com/BigPipeNZ

Donased

11 posts

Geek

#1158105 19-Oct-2014 21:38

I personally want to see what other providers are doing in terms of latency. I have been considering my republic and am very interested in a comparison of other companies. I am not a hardcore gamer but when I do online gaming I want my pings to be as low as possible and I am finding this info extremely useful.

kiwikiwi

455 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1158106 19-Oct-2014 21:41

Donased: I personally want to see what other providers are doing in terms of latency. I have been considering my republic and am very interested in a comparison of other companies. I am not a hardcore gamer but when I do online gaming I want my pings to be as low as possible and I am finding this info extremely useful.

What provider are you currently on at the moment?
I can provide some Orcon Ping tests if you need.

You can also follow me on twitter here @kiwifortw I do twitch streams every now and then at twitch.tv/kiwiforthewin :)

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Donased

11 posts

Geek

#1158107 19-Oct-2014 21:45

kiwikiwi:
Donased: I personally want to see what other providers are doing in terms of latency. I have been considering my republic and am very interested in a comparison of other companies. I am not a hardcore gamer but when I do online gaming I want my pings to be as low as possible and I am finding this info extremely useful.

What provider are you currently on at the moment?
I can provide some Orcon Ping tests if you need.

I saw your trace earlier. Was all I needed to see. Thanks for the offer though.

HawK89

75 posts

Master Geek

#1158147 19-Oct-2014 22:31

BigPipeNZ: Well I disagree. If Myrepublic (or anyone) are offering special routing, then we need to compare to other ISPs (whether they do or do not offer it) to see just how useful the special routing is.

I just feel that if we all post our own results up, it would get off-topic pretty quick. I have emailed MyRepublicNZ for a trace route and speed tests of this gaming plan, but they replied to me with a speed test and trace route from their "Business Plan" 100/100. Only person I saw that has the "Gamer" plan was Mayh3m.
My Republic NZ are quite secretive about this "Low Latency" feature that they are advertising. I really want to see someone on that plan without any issues to posts some test results for us then to compare by posting our current ISP's results.

NZCrusader

646 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1158214 20-Oct-2014 09:00

For those on the gamer plan, let MR know what game server IPs you connect to, so they can optimise the routing and enable us to see the results.

NZ / AU Battlefield 4 Gaming Community
http://www.sonsofvalour.net/forums/forum.php

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Ragnor

8219 posts

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#1158725 20-Oct-2014 18:40

Most gaming connections are TCP or UDP so tracert (ICMP) results aren't really the best thing to compare on....

NZCrusader

646 posts

Ultimate Geek

#1158841 20-Oct-2014 21:33

Ragnor: Most gaming connections are TCP or UDP so tracert (ICMP) results aren't really the best thing to compare on....

I disagree. ICMP is the only (widely used) protocol that can provide RTT information.
Games use it too polling the server periodically, which provides the ping value in game.

The traceroute information will advise on the path and latency to get to and from the destination, including to each hop on the path.

The gaming packets will follow the same path.

Besides. In todays networks all packets from a given source, will be forwarded to the destination address using the same path (flow based), regardless of their message type (and encapsulation by TCP / UDP).

EDIT: The only reason why ICMP results would differ from TCP / UDP packet results, would be if a given provider along the path experiences congestion and prioritises the TCP / UDP packets on the egress queues above the ICMP messages.

NZ / AU Battlefield 4 Gaming Community
http://www.sonsofvalour.net/forums/forum.php

qyiet

454 posts

Ultimate Geek

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#1158975 21-Oct-2014 08:24

BigPipeNZ: [\ If Myrepublic (or anyone) are offering special routing, then we need to compare to other ISPs ..... But will it be worse? If so, just how much worse is the question. 2ms? 10ms? 50ms?

Agreed in fact I'd love to see tracerts from myrepublic Pure and Gamer plans. I'd like to see how many milliseconds $10/month buys. Some sort of leaderboard to popular latency sensitive servers would be really good. Not just gaming, but VoIP providers other latency sensitive services like landonline would be very interesting.

Warning: reality may differ from above post

mattbush

784 posts

Ultimate Geek
Inactive user

#1158981 21-Oct-2014 08:35

BigPipeNZ:
HawK89:
BigPipeNZ: since Myrepublic are promising special low latency routing as a differentiator, it makes complete sense to compare to existing ISPs.

Agreed, but we can conduct our own trace route to compare. I don't care for what other ISP's latency results are. Would you care for my Snap! tests? not really, they don't offer "low latency" as a feature on their plans. No other ISP does, so we don't need to see others to compare. If Slingshot offered "low latency" as a feature on their plans, then we can have those results to compare with, because its relevant.

Well I disagree. If Myrepublic (or anyone) are offering special routing, then we need to compare to other ISPs (whether they do or do not offer it) to see just how useful the special routing is.
I'd be very interested to see Snap's tracerts compared to Myrepublics. Snap don't offer 'custom routing' (and neither do we at Bigpipe) so I would expect our performance to be worse. But will it be worse? If so, just how much worse is the question. 2ms? 10ms? 50ms?

Here is a Bigpipe VDSL test

tracert 216.52.241.254

Tracing route to riotgames-17.ext1.lax.pnap.net [216.52.241.254]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms NF4V.Home [192.168.20.1]
2 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 210.54.32.0
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 5 ms 4 ms 4 ms g7-2-8-201.akbr6.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.118.65]
5 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms ae5-2.akbr7.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.213]
6 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms ae1-10.tkbr12.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.37]
7 161 ms 161 ms 130 ms xe2-3-1.lebr7.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.127.22]
8 161 ms 161 ms 161 ms ae0-10.lebr8.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.42]
9 130 ms 130 ms 130 ms ae-8.r00.lsanca19.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.203.45]
10 161 ms 162 ms 162 ms ae-17.r05.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.6.180]
11 164 ms 164 ms 164 ms ae-0.internap.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.203.98]
12 136 ms 136 ms 135 ms riotgames-17.ext1.lax.pnap.net [216.52.241.254]

Trace complete.

This is using Vodafone cable unlimited 100/10

Tracing route to riotgames-17.ext1.lax.pnap.net [216.52.241.254]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 10 ms 18 ms 12 ms lo0.internet.ivpn.pe25.telstraclear.net [218.101.61.124]
4 17 ms 18 ms 20 ms ie2-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.2]
5 29 ms 17 ms 17 ms ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.251]
6 21 ms 23 ms 19 ms unknown.telstraglobal.net [134.159.174.37]
7 156 ms 144 ms 143 ms i-0-0-4-0.tlot-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net [202.84.142.118]
8 144 ms 179 ms 150 ms i-0-4-0-3.tlot02.bi.telstraglobal.net [202.84.251.242]
9 144 ms 145 ms 145 ms mpr1.lax2.us.above.net [206.223.123.71]
10 143 ms 147 ms 142 ms ae11.cr2.lax112.us.above.net [64.125.21.173]
11 144 ms 166 ms 143 ms ae10.er4.lax112.us.above.net [64.125.21.114]
12 145 ms 145 ms 156 ms 208.184.110.86.IPYX-072053-006-ZYO.above.net [208.184.110.86]
13 158 ms 158 ms 160 ms riotgames-17.ext1.lax.pnap.net [216.52.241.254]

Trace complete.

Quite shabby really considering I am a gamer.

HawK89

75 posts

Master Geek

#1159409 21-Oct-2014 17:50

qyiet: Agreed in fact I'd love to see tracerts from myrepublic Pure and Gamer plans. I'd like to see how many milliseconds $10/month buys. Some sort of leaderboard to popular latency sensitive servers would be really good. Not just gaming, but VoIP providers other latency sensitive services like landonline would be very interesting.

The $10 more also gets you 30mbps more upload and higher priority on streaming/gaming traffic (http://myrepublic.co.nz/about). Don't know how much that would impact as I only play on AU/NZ servers with CS and D3. Maybe someone who plays LoL, WoW and other international hosted gaming servers may notice a difference (the higher priority traffic feature I'm talking about).
Without any info to analyze on their "custom routing", the $10 difference is really only the 30mbps upload increase.

mAYH3M

162 posts

Master Geek

#1159677 21-Oct-2014 23:37

Ragnor: Most gaming connections are TCP or UDP so tracert (ICMP) results aren't really the best thing to compare on....

Tracert

TraceTCP

Magikmoose

15 posts

Geek

#1160311 22-Oct-2014 20:51

MR gaming plan in Whitby Porirua

Tracing route to riotgames-17.ext1.lax.pnap.net [216.52.241.254]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms router.asus.com [192.168.1.1]
2 14 ms 16 ms 14 ms 101-100-136-3.myrepublic.co.nz [101.100.136.3]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms ten-1-1-0-399.bdr01.alb01.akl.VOCUS.net.au [175.
45.93.173]
5 139 ms 140 ms 139 ms ten-0-7-0-1.cor01.akl05.akl.VOCUS.net.nz [114.31
.202.121]
6 141 ms 140 ms 141 ms ten-0-1-0-1.cor01.sjc01.ca.VOCUS.net [114.31.199
.54]
7 140 ms 141 ms 141 ms ten-0-2-0.bdr01.sjc01.ca.VOCUS.net [114.31.199.2
43]
8 153 ms 154 ms 154 ms ip67-92-171-25.z171-92-67.customer.algx.net [67.
92.171.25]
9 152 ms 151 ms 151 ms 207.88.13.224.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.13.224]
10 155 ms 154 ms 154 ms 207.88.13.227.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.13.227]
11 152 ms 151 ms 152 ms 206.111.6.110.ptr.us.xo.net [206.111.6.110]
12 152 ms 152 ms 151 ms ae9.cr1.sjc2.us.above.net [64.125.31.201]
13 152 ms 151 ms 153 ms ae0.cr1.lax112.us.above.net [64.125.26.25]
14 149 ms 150 ms 150 ms ae8.cr2.lax112.us.above.net [64.125.20.218]
15 151 ms 151 ms 152 ms ae10.er4.lax112.us.above.net [64.125.21.114]
16 152 ms 151 ms 154 ms 208.184.110.86.IPYX-072053-006-ZYO.above.net [20
8.184.110.86]
17 152 ms 151 ms 151 ms riotgames-17.ext1.lax.pnap.net [216.52.241.254]

Trace complete.

mAYH3M

162 posts

Master Geek

#1161637 24-Oct-2014 18:10

Just an update.

Static IP did improve my latency on TCP.

Bandwidth and Latency to most Australian servers is better than Telecom (MEL,ADL,BNE are all sub 60ms and PER is somewhere around 82 ms) other than Sydney.Sydney is ~37ms on MR and it was ~35ms on Telecom.

US bandwidth is pretty limited fluctuates between 9 Mbps to 25 Mbps for servers on the East Coast and they don't have enough bandwidth to NA,opposite to what has been claimed here.

Overall a decent choice if you want Phone+Internet for $109.Nothing exciting for gamers as it might be worse if the servers are in NA or Asia as other ISP's do provide more bandwidth and better latency.

It would be great if others on MR could post their Speedtest.net results to Internode servers in (San Jose and LA) and the Singtel one in Palo Alto.

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