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#1660604 29-Oct-2016 19:23

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no good reason? faster downloading is a pretty good reason. compare 1Gbit vs 100M - download anything over say 25GB and you are saving half an hour easy.

what hes getting at is that not really a good reason.

Is for me. Time saved is more time gaming.

How often can you download at near 1gbit?

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#1660630 29-Oct-2016 19:30

Steam will hit 200 megabit usually when I was using it on a 200 meg connection, therefore paying for more is worth it, even if it only has a small effect on the download times.

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#1660631 29-Oct-2016 19:30

richms:

Jase2985:

sorceror:

no good reason? faster downloading is a pretty good reason. compare 1Gbit vs 100M - download anything over say 25GB and you are saving half an hour easy.

what hes getting at is that not really a good reason.

Is for me. Time saved is more time gaming.

Disk space is cheap - if you really cared about saving time to game you'd invest a relatively tiny amount of money in more disk. You could get a 2TB drive for about $120. That's quite a few 20GB games :-)... If it's about 100 games, that's $1.20 each to store the games instead of having to re-download them.

This argument doesn't fly.

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#1660632 29-Oct-2016 19:34

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Disk space is cheap - if you really cared about saving time to game you'd invest a relatively tiny amount of money in more disk. You could get a 2TB drive for about $120. That's quite a few 20GB games :-)... If it's about 100 games, that's $1.20 each to store the games instead of having to re-download them.

This argument doesn't fly.

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You are assuming that I want to put spinning rust into my desktop PC. Eww, no.

At the moment I move things off to an external USB3 on a cable in the next room since its a noisy bastard. Hassle. Steam downloads are automatic and easier.

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#1660633 29-Oct-2016 19:35

Look, I understand wanting nice fast things... I have 3 cars (one nice road car and a couple of cheap toys) and they are all way faster than I need on the road. I still like them and I still choose the faster models instead of the cheaper ones even though the benefit is nearly never useful. The one exception is the 7 replica that I use on track more often than the road I guess.

The point is, it's not bad to want nice, fast things, but let's all be honest about the sort of utility people are likely to get from the faster plans. Personally, I recommend saving the money and upgrading from 100 if it feels slow... That was the OP's question really - is the extra $$$ for 200 worth it? As someone with significant experience in this sort of thing - I ordered 100M fibre for myself because I can't justify anything faster, and I doubt 99.999% of the population are any different. (Yes, I worked out the number of 9s and how many subs in NZ that equates too and I am still happy with that number :-)

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#1660638 29-Oct-2016 19:40

Having driven a slow model honda fit as a loan car, I disagree about the fast models not being useful on the road. That thing was a complete piece of crap.

I don't understand the desire to save a small amount of cash and cripple your connection to 10% of what it can do.

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#1660639 29-Oct-2016 19:43

richms:

Having driven a slow model honda fit as a loan car, I disagree about the fast models not being useful on the road. That thing was a complete piece of crap.

I don't understand the desire to save a small amount of cash and cripple your connection to 10% of what it can do.

Describing a 100Mbit fibre connection as crippled, while maybe technically accurate in a pure numbers sense, is laughable. Tell you what, I'll agree gigabit makes sense for you if you agree it probably makes sense for nearly no-one else :-)

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#1660641 29-Oct-2016 19:48

"artificially restricted" make more sense to you?

Right now I would be very happy to be able to get 100 meg, but you can bet when I finally get off this third world copper that I will not be buying anything but the fastest fiber available. Will be nice to not have to drive to good internet.

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#1660644 29-Oct-2016 19:56

richms:

"artificially restricted" make more sense to you?

Right now I would be very happy to be able to get 100 meg, but you can bet when I finally get off this third world copper that I will not be buying anything but the fastest fiber available. Will be nice to not have to drive to good internet.

As someone on decent copper, I expect to notice ZERO difference when I get fibre installed. And that's based on an incredibly deep understanding of the technologies, implementations, products and services. Maybe the extra 50% ($45 in the case of Spark) to go from 100Mbit to gig isn't a factor for you (and I am sure it's different values for other ISPs) but I know I won't get $45 worth of extra value out of gig compared to 100Mbps. That's why I still tie back my response to the OP... The extra $$$ won't give you even a noticable improvement in most cases. For big downloads (not streaming) you _might_ see a difference, but you might not.

Of course, it's up to every individual to decide what their acceptable cost/benefit ratio is... I guess I should be telling everyone to get gig as the RSPs make more money that way... But I am cursed to make appropriate and sensible recommendations!

The reason I even requested the upgrade to fibre is that it's $10/month cheaper than the VDSL, so why wouldn't I!

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#1660647 29-Oct-2016 20:00

Streaming isn't just about HD video... you can stream games, entire apps.

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#1660648 29-Oct-2016 20:02

yitz: Streaming isn't just about HD video... you can stream games, entire apps.

I am aware of this but I'm genuinely interested in what the bandwidth requirements of those are currently... Do you have any links that could give a starting point?

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#1660650 29-Oct-2016 20:07

Depends on quality. Looking at the playstaion thing to push it across the lan it is about 20 megabit and still looks trashy. Cant use all the fancy mpeg things when you dont have a look ahead buffer on the encoder so they are vastly higher than video, and you have many more sharp edges and no chroma subsampling to reduce bandwidth.

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#1660670 29-Oct-2016 20:59

For app streaming it goes back to the downloading argument, I'm surprised on Steam you still have to download entire games before launching, I remember back in 2010 wondering why Microsoft would bother streaming MS Word what was the difference between that and just having an online installer because who wants to sit there watching the word splash screen for 10 minutes.

I'll admit latency to cloud servers will probably be the eventual issue with game streaming but then it is also about higher capacity and not being restricted i.e. running out of bandwidth and latency going up when someone decides to stream apps at the same time.

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#1660671 29-Oct-2016 21:02

Its also a quality thing, at the 20ish megabits that the PS4 to the PSTV has, it looks bad. Really bad when there are lots of tight textures onscreen. Its not twitch stream bad but noway near as good as the output from the console. More bandwidth would let that get better and when we see places offering cloud gaming localls then it will be those with the best connections that see the best quality.

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#1660687 29-Oct-2016 22:04

So do I understand this correctly? A current game streaming solution on a LAN (with effectively zero latency and jumbo packets etc) uses 20Mbps and is still not that good? (I do some video encoding so I get what you mean about needing to use lower lookahead and that compromising the quality)...

It would seem to me that if the game streaming solution doesn't work well across LAN then basing a decision about whether to upgrade from 100 to 200Mbps (or gig) fibre on that is a really pointless thing. By the time you add in the latency to the game servers (and the associated issues impacting bandwidth) it would seem that today it should be a complete non-factor in deciding what bandwidth you need.

Cheers - N

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