I've yet to look over the entire lot of details, but if I feel something is not right I'll pass it onto a specialist to double check...

kamrind: I don't think orcon is tellingg the truth..... I've been sending packets to two different ip's over the past 48 hours one located in New Zealand and one in the USA.... The purpose of this was to check if and when internet shaping occurs, and the results aren't that great to tell you the truth....
I've yet to look over the entire lot of details, but if I feel something is not right I'll pass it onto a specialist to double check...

FireEngine:

kamrind: I don't think orcon is tellingg the truth..... I've been sending packets to two different ip's over the past 48 hours one located in New Zealand and one in the USA.... The purpose of this was to check if and when internet shaping occurs, and the results aren't that great to tell you the truth....
I've yet to look over the entire lot of details, but if I feel something is not right I'll pass it onto a specialist to double check...

Thats a pretty big accusation, we dont have "Orcon" on here, we have a group of people, individuals, giving of their time to be here and I will vouch that not one of us is interested in misleading you.

Now if you have some data you would like us to look at then by all means lets have it but accusations should be carefully made at the END of that process, not the beginning.

And you do know we dont control the entire internet right? I have no idea where the ips are you are testing to but if they are off our network then traffic can be shaped, delayed or routed outdide our control.

The IP address in New Zealand and is also an orcon fibre 100mbps/50mbps connection, the other is an ISP server in the USA (my father owns the company) and they don't do internet shaping or packet inspection as its optional for an ISP in the USA to opt in....
So unless the wholesale end of Orcon does it on "Orcon's" behalf, (not referring to as you've said "the group of people, individuals") then there is definitely some sort of shaping or packet inspection happening, and its not just p2p as suggested...

Sounddude:

The IP address in New Zealand and is also an orcon fibre 100mbps/50mbps connection, the other is an ISP server in the USA (my father owns the company) and they don't do internet shaping or packet inspection as its optional for an ISP in the USA to opt in....
So unless the wholesale end of Orcon does it on "Orcon's" behalf, (not referring to as you've said "the group of people, individuals") then there is definitely some sort of shaping or packet inspection happening, and its not just p2p as suggested...

Not sure where we have mislead you. We have always done packet inspection and shaping of traffic since the day Orcon began.

Most ISP's do.

We use our traffic inspection engines to offload to caches and make sure business customers get priority use of the bandwidth. We also use it to shape p2p at peak time to ensure it doesn't effect streaming etc

The internet is a big place (as you know) so we cant say you are going to get great performance to all parts of the internet. Congestion can occur anywhere between Orcon and the ISP you are testing with.

I am one of the people who built and work with both the Orcon and Orcon wholesale networks. So i know it fairly well.


Anyway would love to see your results, so share them when you are ready.

kamrind:

 thanks for the reply....

Thast reply is far more in detail, and explains what im seeing, yes i understand that P2P shaping during peak hours is a must, specially at nights when most people are finished work/school/uni....

Another question is, that how much bandwidth and speed is Orcon allocated on the southern cross cable?  because international traffic speeds seem to be slower compared to my vodafone ADSL connection here at this property

kamrind:

Sounddude:

The IP address in New Zealand and is also an orcon fibre 100mbps/50mbps connection, the other is an ISP server in the USA (my father owns the company) and they don't do internet shaping or packet inspection as its optional for an ISP in the USA to opt in....
So unless the wholesale end of Orcon does it on "Orcon's" behalf, (not referring to as you've said "the group of people, individuals") then there is definitely some sort of shaping or packet inspection happening, and its not just p2p as suggested...

Not sure where we have mislead you. We have always done packet inspection and shaping of traffic since the day Orcon began.

Most ISP's do.

We use our traffic inspection engines to offload to caches and make sure business customers get priority use of the bandwidth. We also use it to shape p2p at peak time to ensure it doesn't effect streaming etc

The internet is a big place (as you know) so we cant say you are going to get great performance to all parts of the internet. Congestion can occur anywhere between Orcon and the ISP you are testing with.

I am one of the people who built and work with both the Orcon and Orcon wholesale networks. So i know it fairly well.


Anyway would love to see your results, so share them when you are ready.

 thanks for the reply....

Thast reply is far more in detail, and explains what im seeing, yes i understand that P2P shaping during peak hours is a must, specially at nights when most people are finished work/school/uni....

Another question is, that how much bandwidth and speed is Orcon allocated on the southern cross cable?  because international traffic speeds seem to be slower compared to my vodafone ADSL connection here at this property

FireEngine:

kamrind:

Sounddude:

The IP address in New Zealand and is also an orcon fibre 100mbps/50mbps connection, the other is an ISP server in the USA (my father owns the company) and they don't do internet shaping or packet inspection as its optional for an ISP in the USA to opt in....
So unless the wholesale end of Orcon does it on "Orcon's" behalf, (not referring to as you've said "the group of people, individuals") then there is definitely some sort of shaping or packet inspection happening, and its not just p2p as suggested...

Not sure where we have mislead you. We have always done packet inspection and shaping of traffic since the day Orcon began.

Most ISP's do.

We use our traffic inspection engines to offload to caches and make sure business customers get priority use of the bandwidth. We also use it to shape p2p at peak time to ensure it doesn't effect streaming etc

The internet is a big place (as you know) so we cant say you are going to get great performance to all parts of the internet. Congestion can occur anywhere between Orcon and the ISP you are testing with.

I am one of the people who built and work with both the Orcon and Orcon wholesale networks. So i know it fairly well.


Anyway would love to see your results, so share them when you are ready.

 thanks for the reply....

Thast reply is far more in detail, and explains what im seeing, yes i understand that P2P shaping during peak hours is a must, specially at nights when most people are finished work/school/uni....

Another question is, that how much bandwidth and speed is Orcon allocated on the southern cross cable?  because international traffic speeds seem to be slower compared to my vodafone ADSL connection here at this property

So you are now happy you havent been mislead? :-)

As you can imagine it is easy for our answers to get commercially sensitive so if we appear to go coy or have limits then pleas bear with us...