@atomeara

In regards RCG sites the majority only transmit 4G and require a VOLTE enabled handset for voice.

Linux:

@atomeara The shared RAN between 2degrees and VodafoneNZ is called ' MoRAN '

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Operator_Radio_Access_Network

Linux:

 

@atomeara The shared RAN between 2degrees and VodafoneNZ is called ' MoRAN '

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Operator_Radio_Access_Network

 

I understand on these shared Vodafone / 2degrees towers (not RCG) that its separate hardware, as they are each using there own radios licenses and different frequencies (i.e. the frequencies which each provider owns / has rights too)

MoRAN would be what RCG are using.

ajw:

 

@atomeara

 

In regards RCG sites the majority only transmit 4G and require a VOLTE enabled handset for voice.

 

Yes I have seen a bit of noise on twitter from a few people (mostly Steve) about all 3 providers selling new mobiles that do not support VoLTE (and don't make it clear they won't work on RCG towers)

https://twitter.com/stevebiddle/status/1474857823615918081 

Delorean:

Linux:

@atomeara The shared RAN between 2degrees and VodafoneNZ is called ' MoRAN '

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Operator_Radio_Access_Network

@linux

What does Spark use?

Not a fan, I understand that it may help them compete more with Spark and Vodafone but Vocus and 2degrees were already competitive?

Being smaller does not equal not being able to compete. Look at what companies like Gull, NPD and Waitomo have done to the fuel industry, Look what Electric Kiwi and Flip have done to the power industry.

Surely merging companies actually reduces competition, because rather than 4 major ISP's there will now only be 3, effectively creating a Triopoly (apart from small players like Voyager)

Also, as above people mentioned that 2degrees Broadband customers will likely be merged to the Vocus Stack, this means when Vocus has a major outage like they did in September, which took down all customers of Orcon, Slingshot, Flip, Stuff Fibre and other reseller brands, 2degrees customers will be taken down with them.. It's a lot of eggs in one basket.

Yabanize:

 

Not a fan, I understand that it may help them compete more with Spark and Vodafone but Vocus and 2degrees were already competitive?

 

Being smaller does not equal not being able to compete. Look at what companies like Gull, NPD and Waitomo have done to the fuel industry, Look what Electric Kiwi and Flip have done to the power industry.

 

Surely merging companies actually reduces competition, because rather than 4 major ISP's there will now only be 3, effectively creating a Triopoly (apart from small players like Voyager)

 

Also, as above people mentioned that 2degrees Broadband customers will likely be merged to the Vocus Stack, this means when Vocus has a major outage like they did in September, which took down all customers of Orcon, Slingshot, Flip, Stuff Fibre and other reseller brands, 2degrees customers will be taken down with them.. It's a lot of eggs in one basket.

 

2Degrees already competitive: On fibre broadband with 2Degrees being $89, and Spark $85 with Permanent Netflix, not sure how that is competitive.

Also guessing a lot of customers got lost with 6 months free on Skinny. 2Degrees were competitive but Spark is getting a lot more aggressive now.

The merger may allow 2degrees to go back to public IP’s, not sure if CGNAT worries most of general public or not. Also depends how much surplus Vocus has of them.

More Eggs in one basket, yes. Though they won’t still be biggest company, so more customers lose service if one of bigger ones go down. 

I’ve got a year contract to see out, will see what landscape like at end, I did get a discount but maybe it’s better to be competitive without people ringing up for discount.

@rugrat 98% of users would not care about CG-NAT they would not even know what it is

rugrat:

Yabanize:

Not a fan, I understand that it may help them compete more with Spark and Vodafone but Vocus and 2degrees were already competitive?

Being smaller does not equal not being able to compete. Look at what companies like Gull, NPD and Waitomo have done to the fuel industry, Look what Electric Kiwi and Flip have done to the power industry.

Surely merging companies actually reduces competition, because rather than 4 major ISP's there will now only be 3, effectively creating a Triopoly (apart from small players like Voyager)

Also, as above people mentioned that 2degrees Broadband customers will likely be merged to the Vocus Stack, this means when Vocus has a major outage like they did in September, which took down all customers of Orcon, Slingshot, Flip, Stuff Fibre and other reseller brands, 2degrees customers will be taken down with them.. It's a lot of eggs in one basket.

2Degrees already competitive: On fibre broadband with 2Degrees being $89, and Spark $85 with Permanent Netflix, not sure how that is competitive.

Also guessing a lot of customers got lost with 6 months free on Skinny. 2Degrees were competitive but Spark is getting a lot more aggressive now.

The merger may allow 2degrees to go back to public IP’s, not sure if CGNAT worries most of general public or not. Also depends how much surplus Vocus has of them.

More Eggs in one basket, yes. Though they won’t still be biggest company, so more customers lose service if one of bigger ones go down. 

I’ve got a year contract to see out, will see what landscape like at end, I did get a discount but maybe it’s better to be competitive without people ringing up for discount.

Yabanize:

Look at what companies like Gull, NPD and Waitomo have done to the fuel industry, Look what Electric Kiwi and Flip have done to the power industry.

dfnt:

Yabanize:

 

Look at what companies like Gull, NPD and Waitomo have done to the fuel industry,

 

Not sure if you’ve looked at fuel prices lately but they haven’t done anything to reduce fuel prices

Agreed. NPD came here to Manukau last year with great prices. But now most days they're actually more expensive than even the big guys up the road. Same story with the nearby Gull, used to have good deals (especially when they still had Speedlane at many stations offering a discount if you paid by card at the pump) but no longer the case. Looking at Gaspy right now I have to scroll and scroll and scroll before I find NPD or Gull -- NPD/Gull is 249cents whereas I can get Mobil for 239cents and even Z has several stations cheaper than NPD/Gull.

Anyway, back to 2degrees/Orcon I am in a funny position -- I am a 2degrees mobile customer and my household is with Slingshot for UFB broadband. I actually think this merger could be great as I think the two companies complement each other really well -- where one is weak the other is stronger (e.g. mobile, broadband you can see a clear strength/weakness for each side). I can see the merged company being much more able to offer more to consumers if they manage this merge well.

If there was one thing I could change about the telco industry in the '90's, it would have been merging Clear and BellSouth to form one strong integrated (i.e. mobile+fixed line) competitor to Telecom much earlier on. Instead we suffered the 1990's with strong full-service Telecom dominating the market with a divided Clear and BellSouth not really having the scale and resources they needed to take on Telecom properly. It took far too long for the two to merge (and even then that was only after Telstra took over Clear, and Vodafone took over BellSouth and ended up merging their two respective businesses) and become the stronger full service Vodafone telco we have today. I think today's 2degrees/Orcon are in a fairly similar situation to the Clear/BellSouth of the '90's -- they have much more potential and opportunities together than apart IMHO.