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DonGould
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  #591912 7-Mar-2012 19:11
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codyc1515:  No it means that incumbents keep raking it in, e.g. no regional WISPs were selected for instance.


I think the future is very rosy for WISPs and consumers.





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  #591915 7-Mar-2012 19:23
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DonGould:
Talkiet:  I'm at the wrong end of a 90metre sealed driveway... You're personal opinion is that someone else should pay for that to be dug up and have fibre laid? Man, I'd vote for you if you can present a business case that makes that work!!!


I thought the whole idea of this UFB thing was to use state funds to ensure every home got service and cover out some of these sorts of issues.

I'm in a block where I'll need 1m of trench.  Does this mean I get a credit paid to me on my tax and telco bill because I'm going to need much less than the average?


Nope, you have an incorrect interpretation of a general principle.

Instead of a 90metre driveway, let's imagine I'm in deep, dark Fiordland, and would require $2million of network build to service me as a UFB customer.

Clearly, that is a case where you wouldn't expect the pool of money to cover it.

At the other end of the scale, we have a house, in a city, right beside the cabinet, and only needing a small aerial span or a couple of metres of trench through perfect ground and no seal or anything. Clearly that's acceptable.

Somewhere in the middle there is a crossover point where the cost to connect a certain number of people can't be justified to be funded without assistance from those customers...

If you read the documents on the CFH site, you will find that there are documented guides on a per LFC basis. They are worth a read.

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  #591920 7-Mar-2012 19:37
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Talkiet: If you read the documents on the CFH site, you will find that there are documented guides on a per LFC basis. They are worth a read.


pfft.... I could spend all day reading that rubbish.  I'll leave that for high paid policy analysts in Wellington to do.

As far as I'm concerned, as a tax payer, we're paying a massive whack of public money to have our copper replaced with fibre.

The LFC's and CFH either get the fibre to 75% of homes or they simply haven't delivered on the spirit of what we voted for as far as I'm concerned.






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  #591921 7-Mar-2012 19:41
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DonGould:
Talkiet: If you read the documents on the CFH site, you will find that there are documented guides on a per LFC basis. They are worth a read.


pfft.... I could spend all day reading that rubbish.  I'll leave that for high paid policy analysts in Wellington to do.

As far as I'm concerned, as a tax payer, we're paying a massive whack of public money to have our copper replaced with fibre.

The LFC's and CFH either get the fibre to 75% of homes or they simply haven't delivered on the spirit of what we voted for as far as I'm concerned.



Why should the 100% have to pay for the less than 100% that will get the UFB rollout? You are in the 99%.

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  #591922 7-Mar-2012 19:41
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DonGould:
pfft.... I could spend all day reading that rubbish.  I'll leave that for high paid policy analysts in Wellington to do.

As far as I'm concerned, as a tax payer, we're paying a massive whack of public money to have our copper replaced with fibre.

The LFC's and CFH either get the fibre to 75% of homes or they simply haven't delivered on the spirit of what we voted for as far as I'm concerned.


Seriously? You're on here, trying to argue some complex topics and you haven't even read any the relevant, available, official documents?

It's going to make presenting a case you will understand difficult.

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  #591924 7-Mar-2012 19:45
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codyc1515: Why should the 100% have to pay for the less than 100% that will get the UFB rollout? You are in the 99%.


Codyc I have no idea what you're on about this time sorry.  Can you explain?





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  #591925 7-Mar-2012 19:47
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DonGould:
codyc1515: Why should the 100% have to pay for the less than 100% that will get the UFB rollout? You are in the 99%.


Codyc I have no idea what you're on about this time sorry.  Can you explain?


As a "tax payer" I would have to pay for you all you 99 percenters to get your "ultra fast" broadband when I will quite likely never get it myself.

 
 
 

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  #591926 7-Mar-2012 19:49
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Talkiet: Seriously?


Yes Neil, I'm quite serious.

As far as I am concerned, the National party put a pledge that 75% of homes would get fibre subject to a $1.5b injection of tax payer funds. 

It really is quite simple as far as I'm concerned.

CFH can colour it up how ever they like with any number of documents.

If you're on the end of a 90m drive way, well I'm sorry, as far as I'm concerned that is exactly the sort of case that the state funding was pledge to cover.

You many not agree.  That's ok. 

As far as I'm concerned, if you don't get fibre at your place because of your 90m then I feel I've been mislead.






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  #591930 7-Mar-2012 19:51
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codyc1515:  As a "tax payer" I would have to pay for you all you 99 percenters to get your "ultra fast" broadband when I will quite likely never get it myself.


Sorry, you're still not making any sense at all to me.

As far as I'm aware, 75% of homes are getting UFB, the rest are getting RBI.

That's 100%.




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  #591931 7-Mar-2012 19:54
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DonGould:
codyc1515:  As a "tax payer" I would have to pay for you all you 99 percenters to get your "ultra fast" broadband when I will quite likely never get it myself.


Sorry, you're still not making any sense at all to me.

As far as I'm aware, 75% of homes are getting UFB, the rest are getting RBI.

That's 100%.

Thats 100% rubbish. I will not get UFB and RBI is simply not available here. 

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  #591933 7-Mar-2012 19:58
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codyc1515: Thats 100% rubbish. I will not get UFB and RBI is simply not available here. 


Totally off topic, so if you want to create a thread on un-serviced areas then pm me the link and I'll join.

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  #591934 7-Mar-2012 20:04
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I think the story various contributors are trying to point out here...... is that the Guvment has paid for a rollout, that only makes it part of the way, ie to your local school and if your lucky down your street, but not to your house.

But the real catch is the guvment body who has commissioned all this has not really done the the numbers or preferred to put on Rose tinted glasses (I like Rose' too) about the business case for fibre broadband.

In the past few days in my job I have dealt with a number of small schools, the RBI has recently delivered fibre to them, but the plan on offer would make you choke with amazement, might work for a big or large school, but the small rural schools in these instances will end up putting up with substandard Conklin sourced DSL for a few years yet.

Progress!!!! naaaaah

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  #591963 7-Mar-2012 20:46
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Hmm. well I'm with orcon at the moment and I'm not going to be covered by UFB, but I'm also not going to be covered by RBI as I have ADSL2. So what's my options (other than ADSL2 which doesn't provide fast enough upload speeds for work).




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  #591967 7-Mar-2012 20:50
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Wow this thread turned into a trainwreck in record time




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  #591970 7-Mar-2012 20:52
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openmedia: Hmm. well I'm with orcon at the moment and I'm not going to be covered by UFB, but I'm also not going to be covered by RBI as I have ADSL2. So what's my options (other than ADSL2 which doesn't provide fast enough upload speeds for work).


possibly VDSL2, although if you aren't covered by UFB, then you probably won't be covered by VDSL either

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