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  #2844224 6-Jan-2022 12:03
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Divhon88:

I worked for a while in a call center for AT&T when I was still in Manila. Most of the clients in the BPO outsourcing there and even now is for US or Canada so hearing UK & AU is hard enough.

 

The NZ accent is also completely different then throw-in the Kiwi slang it will also be a Night and Day to a typical Filipino, Indians and even to US and Canada english native users. So that is just on the language barrier side.

 

A voice call center support person is only as good as how a company trains them and provide resources for them. 

 

In a typical work station in Manila one would be working their ass off every second of their shift with endless wave of calls is this the same in a NZ based call centre?

 

 

The level to which your support staff are committed (or overcommitted) is going to be directly related to several factors, including the reliability of the service, the role the callcentre has (general customer service vs technical support / escalation tiers), and the ratio they have of customers:support staff... which you will run closer and closer to the margins if you're trying to squeeze every last buck out of your service, vs focus on your customers.

 

A New Zealand company who chooses to offshore their callcentre is doing so strictly for economic reasons, it's unlikely in most cases that their customers will experience better service through people who aren't aware of local conditions, familiar with local slang and so-on.

 

If a callcentre deals with constant waves of calls to the point where the calltakers are constantly working their asses off, their under-resourced (IMO) and this will lead to staff burnout, poorer retention and thus less experience on the floor and a worse experience for the customer.

 

 

When I worked in a callcentre my primary role was technical support, and not just on the phone - I was also dealing with raised tickets via email, making outbound (callback) support calls and (occasionally) dealing with walk-up customers. I had enough time between 'waves' to generate pro-active content (documentation) which made our jobs easier by providing references for other team members, and also to get some exposure to the sysadmins/engineers (which aided in my professional development).

 

You don't get these benefits in an outsource arrangement because you're being held to a contracted set of outcomes and most other things are out-of-scope.

 

 

Even in the Xtra/Teletech days (some 20 years ago now, argh) we worked to develop a relationship between Xtra (internal tier 2/3) and Teletech (outsourced tier 1/2) because that led to better outcomes for customers and for a career development / recruitment pathway from Teletech to Xtra.




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  #2844272 6-Jan-2022 13:47
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I did lvl 1 for a year at a small ISP and it was moderately busy, but totally manageable. Managers did a fairly good job balancing call volumes to staff numbers.

It was only crazy when there were major outages, and as our phone system couldn't inject an IVR message into existing callers on hold, it could take a few frantic minutes clearing out the queue until new callers got the IVR message.

Think my average daily # of calls handled was only ~12-15. Others did an avg of 40 or so, but I gravitated to dealing with email and domain hosting queries via email and making sure my first call resolution stats were very high. Bit more effort upfront saves repeat calls and improves customer satisfaction - and with few calls in the queue it was feasible to do so.

Enterprise support the following year was less stressful, but was much harder to solve fibre, data centre and weird routing issues etc. Could be only 5 a day on a good day, but the stakes were higher.

That was in '08, '09 when most issues related to dialup and DSL where line faults were common. I imagine it's quite different now.


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  #2845272 8-Jan-2022 13:26
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gzt: Orcon does retail energy. I did not know this. That makes things interesting. Scott's link above does not give the number of energy customers while giving broadband and mobile customer numbers.


Yeah we used to be on Orcon for power as well as broadband, then we switched to Electric Kiwi but we're still on Orcon for broadband



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  #2846164 10-Jan-2022 15:16
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From Commerce Commission:

 

 

The Commerce Commission has received an application for clearance in relation to a transaction that would see the merger of the Vocus Group with 2degrees.

 

Vocus and 2degrees are both telecommunications providers that primarily supply retail fixed voice and broadband services to consumers and small business customers.

 

Vocus owns and operates a national fibre telecommunications network, which it uses to supply fixed-line and other telecommunications services to customers (on both a wholesale and retail basis). It retails telecommunication services to residential, business and government customers under brands that include Orcon, Slingshot, Flip and Vocus. It also retails energy to residential customers, bundled with telecommunications services. 

 

2degrees owns and operates a national mobile telecommunications network. It retails fixed, mobile and other telecommunications services to residential, business and government customers. It also provides wholesale services, including for fixed-line and mobile.

 

A public version of the clearance application will be available shortly on the Commission’s case register.

 

The proposed transaction involves a newly incorporated Vocus Group company, Voyage Digital (NZ) Limited, acquiring all of the shares of Orcon Holdings Limited (formerly known as Vocus (New Zealand) Holdings Limited) and then acquiring all of the shares in Two Degrees Group Limited from its shareholders, Trilogy International New Zealand LLC and Tesbrit B.V.

 

We will give clearance to a proposed merger if we are satisfied that the merger is unlikely to have the effect of substantially lessening competition in a market.

 





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  #2846251 10-Jan-2022 16:26
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As long as it's not Voyage-r! Very similar in name.


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  #2846312 10-Jan-2022 16:44
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quickymart:

 

As long as it's not Voyage-r! Very similar in name.

 

 

That was my thought too. Seems to make more sense for them to adopt something along the lines of 2degrees or Orcon as their legal name for their NZ subsidiary IMHO. Heck they could adopt a bland name like NZ Comms as a nod to 2degrees' old legal name. But I suppose the plan is to continue some of the current brands for customer facing comms/marketing/etc anyway so the actual company name is probably not a big issue.


 
 
 

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  #2846481 10-Jan-2022 21:59
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quickymart:

As long as it's not Voyage-r! Very similar in name.



Perhaps not a mistake... So it's either very bold, or stupid. You'd think they'd try get through the comcom with minimal fuss, not try get into a PR flight with Seeby.

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  #2846489 10-Jan-2022 22:25
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Orcon's ultimate parent is already called Voyage so presumably that's why


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  #2846654 11-Jan-2022 11:09
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Tzoi:

 

Orcon's ultimate parent is already called Voyage so presumably that's why

 

 

 

 

I'm Pretty sure orcons parent is called vocus, no?





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  #2846656 11-Jan-2022 11:16
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I thought they got renamed to Orcon, last I heard.


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  #2846688 11-Jan-2022 11:55
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@quickymart

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocus_Group

 

 

This paragraph specifically:

 

Vocus was acquired by Voyage Australia Pty, a consortium of Macquarie Infrastructure and Real Assets (MIRA) and superannuation fund Aware Super, in 2021.


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  #2886374 15-Mar-2022 10:12
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Press release:

 

 

The Commerce Commission has granted clearance to a transaction that would see the merger of the Vocus Group with 2degrees.

 

In reaching its decision, the Commission considered the potential impact of the proposed merger on competition in retail and wholesale telecommunications markets.

 

Deputy Chair Sue Begg said the Commission was satisfied that the merger is unlikely to substantially lessen competition in any New Zealand market. 

 

“The focus of our enquiries was on wholesale and retail competition in broadband and fixed voice and mobile services. The evidence before us indicates that the merged entity will continue to face strong competition from existing competitors, including Spark and Vodafone,” said Ms Begg.
 
“While the transaction will result in the vertical integration of 2degrees’ mobile network with the largest mobile virtual network operator (MVNO), Vocus, we do not consider the transaction will significantly change the incentives of network operators to grant access to MVNOs.”

 





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  #2886379 15-Mar-2022 10:28
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  #2886393 15-Mar-2022 10:58
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So will the Orcon/Vocus brands disappear, and they all become 2degrees? I don't think they'd keep them both running forever.


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