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#2886394 15-Mar-2022 11:00

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So will the Orcon/Vocus brands disappear, and they all become 2degrees? I don't think they'd keep them both running forever.

They will pick the strongest brand in the market and surely that has to be 2degrees

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#2886398 15-Mar-2022 11:18

Didn't they already announced that they were going to be 2 degrees https://www.2degrees.nz/media-releases/mark-callander-to-lead-merged-entity

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#2886533 15-Mar-2022 14:07

Combined entity will be 2degrees yes. But will they keep any of the Vocus brands in market (Slingshot, Orcon, Flip, etc) and run a multi brand strategy the way Vocus do now?

I could see a Spark-esque move to have a "premium" brand and a "no frills" brand, but equally I could see a push to really consolidate around that well known 2degrees brand and leverage that. I don't think they'll keep all their brands in market.

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#2886536 15-Mar-2022 14:20

antonknee:
Combined entity will be 2degrees yes. But will they keep any of the Vocus brands in market (Slingshot, Orcon, Flip, etc) and run a multi brand strategy the way Vocus do now?

I could see a Spark-esque move to have a "premium" brand and a "no frills" brand, but equally I could see a push to really consolidate around that well known 2degrees brand and leverage that. I don't think they'll keep all their brands in market.

My guess would be Orcon and 2degrees will be become one brand. slingshot will be the no frills offering with full support. stuff/flip a digital only business kinda like bigpipe.
But this is only a guess and would be best to wait for the official release.

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#2886537 15-Mar-2022 14:21

antonknee:

Combined entity will be 2degrees yes. But will they keep any of the Vocus brands in market (Slingshot, Orcon, Flip, etc) and run a multi brand strategy the way Vocus do now?

I could see a Spark-esque move to have a "premium" brand and a "no frills" brand, but equally I could see a push to really consolidate around that well known 2degrees brand and leverage that. I don't think they'll keep all their brands in market.

You'd have to ask which brands have the best reputations for which part of the business they're in...i.e. would they be best to have 2D mobile and a Vocus-branded ISP?

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#2886601 15-Mar-2022 15:35

The latest from vocus

https://www.vocus.co.nz/press-release/Commerce-Commission-merger-clearance

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#2886732 15-Mar-2022 22:27

Woofjeb: The latest from vocus

https://www.vocus.co.nz/press-release/Commerce-Commission-merger-clearance

Does this statement "Under the 2degrees brand, Kiwis will have access to mobile, fixed line, and wireless broadband services as well as competitive energy services." read as if the 2degrees brand will be the only one and it will sell all of those services?

Particularly as this is a really good point:

Handsomedan:

You'd have to ask which brands have the best reputations for which part of the business they're in...i.e. would they be best to have 2D mobile and a Vocus-branded ISP?

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#2886738 15-Mar-2022 22:44

It's a bit confusing because in this statement

"The combined offering of Orcon and 2degrees positions the business as a strong third player in the New Zealand telecommunications industry"

Are they talking about orcon or orcon group/vocus the parent company. I can read that on two ways

A orcon and 2degees become one .
B.Orcon group and 2degrees become one and all other brands disappear.

Still guessing I guess only time will only tell

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#2886866 16-Mar-2022 08:09

I think there are too many brands under the Vocus (Orcon Group) umbrella at present. Collapsing everything under 2degrees would make a lot of sense, and then perhaps launch a value sub-brand similar to Skinny in the future.

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#2888448 18-Mar-2022 19:00

I just hope when they change us over from orcon to 2dm they give us back our rollover data on mobile as I have a quite hefty sum saved up for when I go away on holiday would be sad to lose that.

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#2889742 21-Mar-2022 21:19

Not a fan of 2degrees to be honest. Despite their mobile network especially in rural areas being a very distant third best to Spark or Vodafone they have the same or worse pricing/value than the big 2. Currently on Orcon mobile which is a MVNO running off Spark, I'll be changing providers the moment they switch to 2degrees mobile network.

Also after going through 4-5 ISPs over the past 10 years, they were the only one from memory that had a surcharge for credit/debit cards which isn't clearly stated when you sign up.

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#2889750 21-Mar-2022 22:04

As long as there are no contracts for mobile plans I'll be sticking with them to give them a test drive haven't been with 2degrees for years be quite interesting to see how improved or have they gotten worse. I know there's been a lot of collaboration with Vodafone towers where they don't have their own towers be quite interesting

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#2889768 21-Mar-2022 22:33

@Woofjeb - who knows. I suspect that rollover plans on the way out. Maybe they'll 'grandfather' them across. Maybe they'll just do a 'x months free' promo to migrate over to a "modern" plan. Maybe they'll just kick folks across.

Fully agree with @openmedia - way to many brands. They'll probably want to simplify to one or two... Slingshot or Orcon and 2D would be my bet. They'll probably want to have a 'prosumer' brand and potentially a budget focus.

The problem in my mind with 2D is their pricing. 2D does tend to work in most areas I go to although some areas have weaker signal... I'm prepared to tolerate that if the pricing is competitive. The moment that they start 'price matching' (eg. pricing goes up), I start looking at coverage + customer service.

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#2889769 21-Mar-2022 22:51

cokemaster:

The problem in my mind with 2D is their pricing. 2D does tend to work in most areas I go to although some areas have weaker signal... I'm prepared to tolerate that if the pricing is competitive. The moment that they start 'price matching' (eg. pricing goes up), I start looking at coverage + customer service.

Their pricing isn't competitive at all as it is. Urban coverage is fine however rural and 5G coverage is way behind VF or Spark.

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#2889771 21-Mar-2022 23:05

@Linkzor Simple if you don't like credit card surcharges then do not pay by credit card....not rocket science!

I pay my 2d monthly invoice via internet banking 0% surcharge

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