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julianz

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#71743 16-Nov-2010 10:23
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I'm not an Orcon customer but a friend is. I've just found a bunch of perfectly fine emails from him in my spam folder because I use dspam and filter on the X-DSPAM-Result header. It looks like Orcon is also using dspam, but they're passing their customers outgoing messages through it and incorrectly marking them as spam. What's up with that?

Here's a snippet of the headers from Orcon on a recent message:

X-DSPAM-Check: by mx4.orcon.net.nz on Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:50:25 +1300
X-DSPAM-Result: Spam
X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 15 19:50:25 2010
X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.4568
X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.9474


I'm not sure what good it does anybody to wrongly mark customer messages as spam and then launch them into the world. In addition to that, dspam is a learning system and needs training. There's no feedback path here; I can't exactly tag the message as good and send it back round to Orcon for retraining, so it's probably way off the mark in it's judgement.

Is there a way to contact someone at Orcon and get this reviewed or disabled?

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  #405317 16-Nov-2010 14:04
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Basically all you can do is log a fault with their helpdesk. Twitter or facebook might be worth a shot too.

I wouldn't hold my breath though, switch to using an email provider that doesn't suck as much ... eg: gmail.



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  #405335 16-Nov-2010 14:31
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Its been doing that for quite a while, I noticed it when we were having some email issues.




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julianz

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  #405336 16-Nov-2010 14:33
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@Ragnor thanks - I'm not using Orcon, I'm trying to receive mail from people who do.



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  #405399 16-Nov-2010 16:19
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Just a thought, but maybe they are doing this only for unauthenticated SMTP connections through their mail server? Does your friend use authentication (a username and password) for their outgoing email?

Scanning outgoing email makes sense from the ISP's point of view. If a client PC gets infected with a virus/malware and starts sending out bucket loads of spam, you want to try and stop that getting out where possible. Viruses/malware are less likely to use authentication and just send straight to smtp.

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  #405404 16-Nov-2010 16:25
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Scanning outgoing email makes sense from the ISP's point of view.


Not if you then don't do anything about it, and still deliver the messages. Good point about authentication though, I'll check that.

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  #405484 16-Nov-2010 18:41
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julianz: Not if you then don't do anything about it, and still deliver the messages.


Agreed, they probably should be suppressing the headers from DSPAM if they're going to send the email out.

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