Orcon given up on putting gear into Telecom's cabinets

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old3eyes

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#93165 15-Nov-2011 08:53

Got an email from them last nite saying that they had abandon plans in my area in Auckland ( Pt Chev) to install LLU gear in the local cabinets and as a result my subsidized broadband would be going to normal rates on Dec 23 which I think will be about $75 for 30 gig. They did suggest going to Genius but my wife said "Over my dead body"

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#545466 15-Nov-2011 09:01

genius is $75 for 30GB anyway, so you wouldn';t have saved anything by switchiung to that.

$75 for 30GB is still a bloody good price though

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#545468 15-Nov-2011 09:04

You could always go to Vodafone naked 60gb for $65 if you have an on account mobile with them too. Really depends on if you need a landline I guess.

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#545471 15-Nov-2011 09:17

Orcon have never installed any equipment in cabinets anyway, only exchanges.

When the vast majority of customers are services from cabinets rather than exchanges the business case for ULL gear in exchanges can't really be that good.

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#545498 15-Nov-2011 09:56

sbiddle: Orcon have never installed any equipment in cabinets anyway, only exchanges.

Exatly there is no room for orcons MSAN's they are a lot bigger then telecoms ISAMs
Compas, Orcon, Ihug, Slingshot, TCL all have the same issue users behind a cabinet can NEVER get another broadband provider but Telecom or Telecom wholesaled broadband.

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#545504 15-Nov-2011 10:04

Nebbie:
sbiddle: Orcon have never installed any equipment in cabinets anyway, only exchanges.

Exatly there is no room for orcons MSAN's they are a lot bigger then telecoms ISAMs
Compas, Orcon, Ihug, Slingshot, TCL all have the same issue users behind a cabinet can NEVER get another broadband provider but Telecom or Telecom wholesaled broadband.

Well 1/3 of the cabinet is empty, surely there is nothing stopping them buying ISAM's from their DSLAM providers rather than MSAN's?

Isn't it simply that LLU gear in cabinets doesn't work economically, With upto 300 lines in each cabinet once you consider taking out the big two's market share (Telecom 50-60%, Telstraclear probably 30%) it's simply not worth another provider installing expensive gear for a possible 60 lines/customers.

Even more so with UFB going on as the time period for return on investment is very short.

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#545509 15-Nov-2011 10:12

Nebbie:
sbiddle: Orcon have never installed any equipment in cabinets anyway, only exchanges.

Exatly there is no room for orcons MSAN's they are a lot bigger then telecoms ISAMs
Compas, Orcon, Ihug, Slingshot, TCL all have the same issue users behind a cabinet can NEVER get another broadband provider but Telecom or Telecom wholesaled broadband.

Size is a moot point. Space was left for providers and much discussion occured over the size of the equipment in original MED and ComCom discussions. Even what ALU gear Telecom would use to ensure that there was enough space was discussed extensively.

The issue comes down entirely to $. Putting an ISAM/DSLAM into a cabinet to service somewhere in the real of 20-30 customers (for the average large ISP) and paying the regulated backhaul costs set by the ComCom would result in a loss per customer for the ISP if they were to charge the same retail prices as the regulated wholesale plans.

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#545511 15-Nov-2011 10:17

Selfemployed: You could always go to Vodafone naked 60gb for $65 if you have an on account mobile with them too. Really depends on if you need a landline I guess.

:)

Holy hell.. just looked into that deal, i could not only save $50 on my phone bill but by switching to vodafone for sky i would also get a free upgrade to mysky.. Win/Win!

Edit: Of course on further inspection im not in the Red network so i lose out. Just like with orcon genius.. Seems you have to live in auckland to get decent broadband pricing.

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#545521 15-Nov-2011 10:28

sbiddle: and paying the regulated backhaul costs set by the ComCom would result in a loss per customer for the ISP if they were to charge the same retail prices as the regulated wholesale plans.

Ah yes that was one of their bad decisions where they decided the backhaul cost should be split per number of providers not by per share of lines in the cabinet.

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#545530 15-Nov-2011 10:48

garvani:
Selfemployed: You could always go to Vodafone naked 60gb for $65 if you have an on account mobile with them too. Really depends on if you need a landline I guess.

:)

Holy hell.. just looked into that deal, i could not only save $50 on my phone bill but by switching to vodafone for sky i would also get a free upgrade to mysky.. Win/Win!

Edit: Of course on further inspection im not in the Red network so i lose out. Just like with orcon genius.. Seems you have to live in auckland to get decent broadband pricing.

You can still get it if not in red network, for an extra $10

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#545550 15-Nov-2011 11:19

jonb:
You can still get it if not in red network, for an extra $10

Really? Thats not what the Vodafone website infers: (Looking at the Naked broadband statement)

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#545570 15-Nov-2011 11:51

garvani:
jonb:
You can still get it if not in red network, for an extra $10

Really? Thats not what the Vodafone website infers: (Looking at the Naked broadband statement)

Whats the street addy?

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#545575 15-Nov-2011 11:58

I wont put my real address on here for the world to see. but if you check 65 redwood street blenheim it gives the same result (im a few houses away from here

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#545587 15-Nov-2011 12:50

garvani: I wont put my real address on here for the world to see. but if you check 65 redwood street blenheim it gives the same result (im a few houses away from here )

Don't think there much of any LLU gear there :(

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#545603 15-Nov-2011 13:12

I suspected that.. but its no surprise at all!. Blenheim really is the backwaters of NZ, we are a fair bit behind, part of town doesn't even have ADSL2 yet! Hopefully one day we will have real choice. Its not like its a small town, we have a population of about 30,000. Funnily enough the UFB programme for the south island started here a couple of weeks ago

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#545605 15-Nov-2011 13:17

garvani: I suspected that.. but its no surprise at all!. Blenheim really is the backwaters of NZ, we are a fair bit behind, part of town doesn't even have ADSL2 yet! Hopefully one day we will have real choice. Its not like its a small town, we have a population of about 30,000. Funnily enough the UFB programme for the south island started here a couple of weeks ago

Yeah UFB is hitting the towns like that first .. Which i guess is a good thing , TCL does have LLU gear there but doesn't service that area :(

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