NZ TV: 'Dumbed-down dross'.... Article from Oz

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#637805 8-Jun-2012 13:38

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I disagree. Maori TV is for Maoris and that's about it.. $50mil per year is a lot of money for it ..

I'm European born and bred but there are the occasional foreign language films, subtitled in English, on Maori TV that are absolute gems (and I'm certainly not an arty-farty type person either). Their programme schedule is certainly worth keeping an eye on.

In saying that, $50M a year buys a lot of schoolteachers.

Did Eric Clapton really think she looked wonderful...or was it after the 15th outfit she tried on and he just wanted to get to the party and get a drink?

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#637817 8-Jun-2012 14:02

ROFL films with subtitles ROFL

If I wanted to read I'd buy a book

Maori TV gets 50 million a year and TVNZ7 only receives 15 million I know which one is making better use of their money for 3 times less money

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#637844 8-Jun-2012 14:53

Athlonite: ROFL films with subtitles ROFL

If I wanted to read I'd buy a book

Maori TV gets 50 million a year and TVNZ7 only receives 15 million I know which one is making better use of their money for 3 times less money

I doubt maori tv will ever get it funding cut, largely for political reasons. But the other good thing about it is that it is keeping the maori language alive, and it is educational. I definately think having it is a good thing. But I do cringe everytime I see 'it's in the bag' and them offering prizes that are worse then they were when it was on TV over 20-30 years ago.
I would actually like to see NZ on Air turned into the broadcast TV channel, and for all that money to go into it. At the moment a lot of the funding goes to all different places, eg the GC, and there is talk about some of it going to fund programs that will only be viewable on pay tv, which would be terrible, considering it is tax payers paying for it.

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#637849 8-Jun-2012 14:59

mattwnz:

I say bring back the old documentaries we used to got.One problem with commerical tv, is that you can't pee off the advertisers. I think this is one reason we don't get those really good probing interviews on commerical TV, which you do get with radio NZ.

Funny you should mention National Radio - Havent actually listened to it for a few years.
Where I was working yesterday someone had it going - so I heard it for a couple of hours - I was quite impressed. News that actually seemed to have content! Whatever next? I think National (party) already have the skids under that as well.....

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#637854 8-Jun-2012 15:03

robjg63:
mattwnz:?

I say bring back the old documentaries we used to got.One problem with commerical tv, is that you can't pee off the advertisers. I think this is one reason we don't get those really good probing interviews on commerical TV, which you do get with radio NZ.

Funny you should mention National Radio - Havent actually listened to it for a few years.
Where I was working yesterday someone had it going - so I heard it for a couple of hours - I was quite impressed. News that actually seemed to have content! Whatever next? I think National (party) already have the skids under that as well.....

I didn't used to listen to it either, as I thought it was for old people. But it is greatly improved.t I now download the podcasts and they are really good. I think it is now the most listened to radio station in NZ. I think they have a tiny budget too for it, so they do a very good job.

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#637920 8-Jun-2012 16:55

mattwnz: But I do cringe everytime I see 'it's in the bag' and them offering prizes that are worse then they were when it was on TV over 20-30 years ago.

How about Mr Ed in Maori? I suppose at least it has a kind of educational value if any kids actually watch it.

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#637924 8-Jun-2012 16:59

Rikkitic:
mattwnz: But I do cringe everytime I see 'it's in the bag' and them offering prizes that are worse then they were when it was on TV over 20-30 years ago.

How about Mr Ed in Maori? I suppose at least it has a kind of educational value if any kids actually watch it.

Are they still playing that? I haven't seen that since it started broadcasting. I guess it was very cheap to produce, as it is just someone voicing over an old tv show that is possibly very cheap to get the rights to broadcast. Those sorts of old programs are barely watchable these days.

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#637933 8-Jun-2012 17:10

robjg63: The camera crew cant wait to shove a camera in the face of someone who has just lost family. Those triplets that died in the fire in a mall, the pike river disaster - pretty anyone that they can get emotional minutes to try and flog their programs. The Christchurch earthquake coverage was good - at the start, but also tried to get into the personal space of grieving people. I get it - of course they are upset - do we need to see people crying?

You really pegged it. I am so sick of seeing this cheap sentimental milking of people who are vulnerable. It is the worst kind kind of exploitative voyeuristic trash. Unfortunately, we are not the only ones who descend to such depths. I saw exactly the same thing today on the Aussie Sky news coverage of the triplet tragedy. Truly vile.

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#637943 8-Jun-2012 17:22

Rikkitic:
robjg63: The camera crew cant wait to shove a camera in the face of someone who has just lost family. Those triplets that died in the fire in a mall, the pike river disaster - pretty anyone that they can get emotional minutes to try and flog their programs. The Christchurch earthquake coverage was good - at the start, but also tried to get into the personal space of grieving people. I get it - of course they are upset - do we need to see people crying? ?

You really pegged it. I am so sick of seeing this cheap sentimental milking of people who are vulnerable. It is the worst kind kind of exploitative voyeuristic trash. Unfortunately, we are not the only ones who descend to such depths. I saw exactly the same thing today on the Aussie Sky news coverage of the triplet tragedy. Truly vile.

Not only that. I am sick of them creating their own news stories, from their own investigations. A point in case is TV1 when their lead story on the 6pm news was about Aucklands stormwater system, where their own research had found that a lot of it needed replacing. That story was solely created by them and I think it was alarmist, but we haven't had any follow up since then.
Yet one of NZs top architects died a few days ago, and I don't think it even made it onto tv1s news at all, yet it was covered in the papers. I guess it is all about ratings and what makes people turn it on. The target tv episode which devoted a lot of a show to a guy allegedly being videoed in a compromising situation in someone else's home, shows what people want to watch based on it's high ratings.

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#637944 8-Jun-2012 17:25

TV is rubbish. I wont be spending the money to upgrade to Freeview. Now what will I do with that unlimited internet access....

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#637947 8-Jun-2012 17:27

mattRSK: TV is rubbish. I wont be spending the money to upgrade to Freeview. Now what will I do with that unlimited internet access....

It would be good if there was good content to use it on. Thats the benefit of a tivo, you just program it to record the few programs that are good, and just watch it in your own time.

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#638002 8-Jun-2012 20:09

bazzer:
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Lias: I'm a firm believer in abolishing NZ on Air, and shutting down any radio/tv station that is not a commercially successful entity in the absence of taxpayer funding.

My taxes should not be spent on "Shortland Street", "The GC", or any other crap.

Its been over 15 years since any taxpayer money was spent on Shortland St, its quite the money maker for TVNZ at present. The GC and other crap are a different story.

And so was SS 20 years ago. You never know what might be a new "treasure" in future.

P.S. The original source of the article is http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=13704

Thank you for the source attribution.

Something the original poster should have done.

TV3's recent revamp to the 6 o'clock News weather graphics qualifies as dumb TV.

Absolutely hideous !

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#638022 8-Jun-2012 21:16

robjg63: I am old enough to remember the Ian Fraser and Bryan Edwards days. They actually made politicians squirm and often pried an honest comment from them occasionally. There is great skill to journalism - but these days its the 5 second sound/picture bite.

That was one of the bizzare advantages of the old one channel state broadcasting system - the politicians had no choice about who was going to interview them or for how long - and despite it being a state funded system.

The SOE model introduced later granted a lot more potential for arm twisting.

These days with the variety of outlets available they can pick and choose and virtually negotiate media terms in many topic areas.

Taken to the extreme - in the USA political interviews are entirely tame to non-existent. I often think they need something at constitutional level to make their politicians front up and answer serious questions.

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#638473 10-Jun-2012 14:25

mattRSK: TV is rubbish. I wont be spending the money to upgrade to Freeview. Now what will I do with that unlimited internet access....

With a flip-flop as good as a politician I have gone and installed a good UHF aerial on the roof. This may or may not have something to do with me mentioning to my wife my views about keeping TV when the switch over occurs. (might also be because of procrastinating a large uni assignment)

We have had a Sony Play TV device sitting in its box for a while now, so I gave that a crack. It's nice to be able to record some shows I guess and the picture sure is clearer. It would also be the first time that I have seen TVNZ7 and I agree it would be a loss if that is removed.

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#638548 10-Jun-2012 18:14

mattwnz:
mattRSK: TV is rubbish. I wont be spending the money to upgrade to Freeview. Now what will I do with that unlimited internet access....

It would be good if there was good content to use it on. Thats the benefit of a tivo, you just program it to record the few programs that are good, and just watch it in your own time.

If only it didn't have TVNZ as a major shareholder, and had thus been able to keep the ad-skip buttons that Tivos in the US have. This is the major reason why practically any of the (very, very small amount of) FTA TV that I actually want to watch gets recorded on my panny box (with a skip function) and the Tivo hasn't been powered up in over a month.

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