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#126438 26-Apr-2008 10:04

wiredr: afraid of is the hd content being converted to divx and pirated on the internet.

It is/will be already on the internet if its an american show and will have been there for about 6 months before it is shown here.

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#126449 26-Apr-2008 10:47

mcraenz: As I mentioned out in another thread; not implementing certain "features" is not the same as circumventing a system. For example a PC based PVR, myPVR for example! This law can't force Openmedia to implement HDCP can it?

We are taking some legal advise in this area as potentially I can force us to enable HDCP, which isn't something we can do under Linux.

The fact that we advertise the products ability to import DVD's onto the HD which is format shifting of video is another issue.

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#126452 26-Apr-2008 10:50

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wiredr: afraid of is the hd content being converted to divx and pirated on the internet.

It is/will be already on the internet if its an american show and will have been there for about 6 months before it is shown here.

Your'e not following the "logic" of the copyright owner. The content shouldn't be on the internet in divx anyway. They will try and do all that they can to prevent you from creating the DivX rip.

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#126538 27-Apr-2008 09:34

Hi Folks,

From the point of view of someone who has a tv only 2 years old that can receive 1080i HD but doesnt have an HDMI input. This box advertised will mean i can view HD via component on my TV.

Im trying to understand Freeview and from what i have read, certified freeview STB's will have HD disabled via component with a max of 576i i believe?

To those at freeview, please don't penalise us without HDMI inputs! Lot's of ads on TV about Freeview HD and i'm annoyed that i won't be able to really enjoy it? Unfortunately some of us cant fork out dollars instantly for a TV with HDMI.

Meanwhile i'll keep reading and learning.

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#126540 27-Apr-2008 09:48

Damager: Hi Folks,

From the point of view of someone who has a tv only 2 years old that can receive 1080i HD but doesnt have an HDMI input. This box advertised will mean i can view HD via component on my TV.

Im trying to understand Freeview and from what i have read, certified freeview STB's will have HD disabled via component with a max of 576i i believe?

To those at freeview, please don't penalise us without HDMI inputs! Lot's of ads on TV about Freeview HD and i'm annoyed that i won't be able to really enjoy it? Unfortunately some of us cant fork out dollars instantly for a TV with HDMI.

Meanwhile i'll keep reading and learning.

It's not Freeview's fault that they are having to impliment copy protection - this is something being enforced by the content providers.

I'm sure there will be a lot of people in the same boat as you due to some of the dubious tactics employed by companies in NZ selling TV's as "HD capable" when it was very clear that they were never going to be able to be used for HDTV in New Zealand as they didn't support HDMI+HDCP.

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#126543 27-Apr-2008 10:20

Damager: Hi Folks,

To those at freeview, please don't penalise us without HDMI inputs! Lot's of ads on TV about Freeview HD and i'm annoyed that i won't be able to really enjoy it? Unfortunately some of us cant fork out dollars instantly for a TV with HDMI.

Has anyone with these issues actually tried contacting freeview and raising this issue, or better yet TVNZ and MediaWorks?

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#126615 27-Apr-2008 18:15

sbiddle:
It's not Freeview's fault that they are having to impliment copy protection - this is something being enforced by the content providers.

I disagree. Freeview has said that any certified boxes will be HD on HDMI only. If it were the content providers then why is the rest of the world espcially the US allowed to se HD over component. Sounds like us Kiwis are being screwed again.

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#126625 27-Apr-2008 19:21

old3eyes:
sbiddle:
It's not Freeview's fault that they are having to impliment copy protection - this is something being enforced by the content providers.

I disagree. Freeview has said that any certified boxes will be HD on HDMI only. If it were the content providers then why is the rest of the world espcially the US allowed to se HD over component. Sounds like us Kiwis are being screwed again.

You are correct in that other countries aren't enforcing ICT (and neither is Bluray or HD-DVD) - and they've been given until 2012 to do so.

NZ implementing it from day 1 was the best option - imagine if we didn't and suddenly in 3 years time your box just stops working one day because new firmware had enforced the ICT flag. This is one of the main reasons Freeview toed the line and implimented ICT from the start. Other countries are going to have a huge mess on their hands in a few years time when they have to enforce ICT and have disgruntled customers to deal with.

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#126626 27-Apr-2008 19:27

Also look at the UK were Sky are now removing component from their HD units which is causing an incredible fuss.

Best bet sometimes is to start with the system you intend to carry on with. As for NZ consumers being screwed, most of the "HD" tvs in the market that don't have HDMI don't actually have HD panels anyway.

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#126774 28-Apr-2008 13:10

So your suggestion to these people who bought HD TVs without HDMI is to go and buy another one??

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#126800 28-Apr-2008 14:06

old3eyes: So your suggestion to these people who bought HD TVs without HDMI is to go and buy another one??

Better yet go back to the people who sold it to you and say they mislead you as it is not "HD ready" or anyther combo of lies they use.

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#126802 28-Apr-2008 14:09

old3eyes: So your suggestion to these people who bought HD TVs without HDMI is to go and buy another one??

First I'd suggest that they check that their TV is HD native, as a lot of earlier sets sold in NZ aren't.

Then I'd say contact freeview, TVNZ, MediaWorks and Sky, although I doubt any of them will take much notice.

Lastly keep your eyes open for alternative STBs that will support component. freeview|HD has'nt been with us for a month yet, so plenty of times for things to change.

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#126808 28-Apr-2008 14:30

Openmedia means that many tvs without HDMI dont actually have HD panels, ie they are 480p panels, not actually HD. This was the case with most early widescreen LCDs.

Sure your TV has a 720p native res?

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#126827 28-Apr-2008 15:51

openmedia: Also look at the UK were Sky are now removing component from their HD units which is causing an incredible fuss.

Best bet sometimes is to start with the system you intend to carry on with. As for NZ consumers being screwed, most of the "HD" tvs in the market that don't have HDMI don't actually have HD panels anyway.

Let's not distort the truth here. Sky UK are NOT removing component from the HD units that are CURRENTLY in service with EXISTING customers. They are only removing component from the HD units of NEW customers (which I think from memory was with effect from 1st April). Early adopters were not affected.

Now I do apologise if I am incorrect here, but like you, I am reading this on the internet.

My understanding of the reasoning behind this approach was an acknowledgement that early adopters would not be penalised such as they appear to have been here. There will always be people such as sbiddle that will look at things in a black and white manner and suggest that "non geeks"should have known better. The reality is that the rules introduced overseas at that time acknowledged that implementation of Hi Def was not clear cut - at that time.

Freeview could have negotiated harder, but either did not (by choice) or failed to.

I have the DSE unit and am looking forward to an "non approved unit" in order to fullfill my "customer" requirements rather than the "broadcaster" requirements. I am afterall, their customer - they are not mine!

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#126833 28-Apr-2008 16:04

DaveB:
openmedia: Also look at the UK were Sky are now removing component from their HD units which is causing an incredible fuss.

Best bet sometimes is to start with the system you intend to carry on with. As for NZ consumers being screwed, most of the "HD" tvs in the market that don't have HDMI don't actually have HD panels anyway.

Let's not distort the truth here. Sky UK are NOT removing component from the HD units that are CURRENTLY in service with EXISTING customers. They are only removing component from the HD units of NEW customers (which I think from memory was with effect from 1st April). Early adopters were not affected.

Now I do apologise if I am incorrect here, but like you, I am reading this on the internet.

My understanding of the reasoning behind this approach was an acknowledgement that early adopters would not be penalised such as they appear to have been here. There will always be people such as sbiddle that will look at things in a black and white manner and suggest that "non geeks"should have known better. The reality is that the rules introduced overseas at that time acknowledged that implementation of Hi Def was not clear cut - at that time.

Freeview could have negotiated harder, but either did not (by choice) or failed to.

I have the DSE unit and am looking forward to an "non approved unit" in order to fullfill my "customer" requirements rather than the "broadcaster" requirements. I am afterall, their customer - they are not mine!

Yes you are quite right that Sky UK aren't removing component from existing boxes.

Over time they will also start using the ICT flag and require HDCP, but that is probably a couple of years away.

And remember it isn't upto freeview to negotiate the rights, it is being driven by freeview's major shareholders TVNZ and Mediaworks, who are in turn being pushed by the content owners. Compared with Sky UK our broadcasters have very little negotiating power.

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