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  #940086 25-Nov-2013 07:44
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  #940101 25-Nov-2013 08:56
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DarthKermit: I think I'll start a thread in Off Topic where people can link to news site articles with blatant errors in them.


Just visit the /r/newzealand subreddit some time.

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  #940468 25-Nov-2013 16:51
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http://www.dia.govt.nz/Censorship-IRG-Briefing-June-2013

It really is no wonder the articles are a bit bonkers, the stats they're draw from aren't actually much better.

A quick look back at the last 4 reports shows that the number of hits is between 4 and 7 million per period, which is 6 monthly roughly, which means 1.1 million hits per month, given 2.5m users, that's less than one hit per connection (I have 3 users in my house).

What do these numbers really mean?

As for comment about the Stuff staff who wrote the article... why did they write it? Slow news day? DIA pinging the editor and just asking for a regular 'reminder' article to the general public?

The realities are that people drink to much, they drive when they shouldn't, they surf a bit much junk from time to time and also end up surfing stuff that with a clear head they'd think twice about.

We put drink drive ads on TV, we give out small fines for driving 10km over the limit.

How would we like to be reminded to keep an eye on our online browsing habits?

Personally I think a quick stuff article every so often is a good thing and bashing the editor doesn't really help.

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  #940514 25-Nov-2013 17:43
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A "hit" in webserver parlance is not a pageview, but a request - a page could contain many images, scripts, css, etc and requesting each one is a "hit". Loading the Geekzone frontpage is 51 hits for example...





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  #940526 25-Nov-2013 18:14
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freitasm: A "hit" in webserver parlance is not a pageview, but a request - a page could contain many images, scripts, css, etc and requesting each one is a "hit". Loading the Geekzone frontpage is 51 hits for example...



Yes I totally have to agree with you MF. 

So what do these numbers really mean?  What do these stuff articles really mean?

"Kiwis bombard..."

Headlines like that, I have to ask what sort of message is it sending?

"pffft...  ok so I was surfing something a bit dodgie tonight, but so what?!...  everyone else is doing it to, so who cares?..." 

Is this like "everyone else speeds, all my mates drink a bit much and drive, what does it matter... I've only had 4 beers..."

Less than one 'hit' per connection, per month... really?  What's this filter costing tax payers to have in place? 

What's it really achieving?

Personally I like knowing it's there.  I'm happy that it blocks the bad stuff... or am I?

I'd like to think that it's blocking out the bad stuff so that if I am choosing a bit of 'adult entertainment' then I know what I'm getting is ok without having to think to hard about "oh, is that a bit young? should that horse be in the picture... (you get the idea)..."

Realistically...  I have no idea if it's being effective, I have no idea what it costs, if we're getting a return or if it's just a pet project that's giving us a false sense of comfort?

What it is doing is keeping a 'tool' in place that can be used by a government agency to filter any content out of most of our internet at a moments notice.  Is that a good thing?

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  #940584 25-Nov-2013 19:33
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DonGould: 



Realistically...  I have no idea if it's being effective, I have no idea what it costs, if we're getting a return or if it's just a pet project that's giving us a false sense of comfort?



And since the list is secret, you will never know. YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK.

Edit - oh, and before anybody says 'but of course it has to be secret' ask yourself why. If you are a normal person then you're not going to seek it out even if you're told where it is. And if you do seek it out then the system will block you anyway (and if it doesn't, then it was worthless to begin with, but now you know).




What it is doing is keeping a 'tool' in place that can be used by a government agency to filter any content out of most of our internet at a moments notice.  Is that a good thing?

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No. No, it's not. Once the ability to abuse it is there, sooner or later someone WILL. And by then there won't be a damn thing you can do about it.

That's human nature. That's why our ancestors fought revolutions and wars, so that the governmental system we have in place today has checks and balances to ensure nobody can gather too much power into their own hands. Sadly, these days, we throw it at them because ZOMG terrorists (feel free to replace with your favourite boogeyman).




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  #940594 25-Nov-2013 19:48
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The DIA filter hits are made anonymous(no IP or browser data collected) so that inflates it a huge amount as well

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  #940691 25-Nov-2013 21:16
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loceff13: The DIA filter hits are made anonymous(no IP or browser data collected) so that inflates it a huge amount as well


How does that work?

I don't understand.

Are you saying that every http request is just thrown at the DIA filter and then the providers proxy is told to just block out stuff?

eg...  I browse www.geekzone.co.nz from 202.35.668.44 and the URL is just thrown to the DIA and it sends back a Yes or No to the proxy?




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  #940776 26-Nov-2013 07:01
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DonGould:
loceff13: The DIA filter hits are made anonymous(no IP or browser data collected) so that inflates it a huge amount as well


How does that work?

I don't understand.

Are you saying that every http request is just thrown at the DIA filter and then the providers proxy is told to just block out stuff?

eg...  I browse www.geekzone.co.nz from 202.35.668.44 and the URL is just thrown to the DIA and it sends back a Yes or No to the proxy?




IIRC the DIA's filter advertises BGP routes to the ISPs to itself for IPs or IP ranges that are known to host blocked sites. Any traffic to these IP addresses -- and of course don't forget that that also means in many cases any traffic to other, completely innocent sites hosted on the same provider -- are routed transparently to the DIA for filtering. So depending on how they're counting, they may also class any innocent traffic to the same range as a hit.

And because the ISP only sees a route to an IP address, what specifically is being filtered for is unknown to them. Of course it's not anonymous to the DIA because they see your IP address and as we all know, even though there are far fewer IP addresses than human beings, an IP address nevertheless uniquely identifies you as a pervert/starving-Hollywood-megacorp-murderer.




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