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#287158 5-Jan-2010 13:45

browned: if you ain't doing anything wrong you would have nothing to worry about no matter who is listening.

Sorry to go off topic but this old chestnut really gets to me. EVERYONE has something to hide, there's personal information that can be gained from intercepting communications that people wouldn't want made public...

For example:
* Someone's sexual orientation if they're not "out"
* Someone fleeing an abuser / a crime victim
* A person's medical history (depression etc)
* Journalists protecting sources
* A person's looking for a new job, does he/she want their current employer to know this?

All of this information should be kept secret and there seems to be a few safeguards in place so that the police can't abuse this power - but they're human and can make mistakes (and some could use the information for their own personal gain), just look at the example last year where a camera containing sensitive information was left at a crime scene.

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#288804 10-Jan-2010 21:26

corksta: And remember also people, they're going after the drug runners, the importers, and so on, the people sending emails and texts to organise the next shipment of $50,000 worth of ingredients from China to make P, the paedophiles in the process of grooming their next victim.

LOL..... Organised crime syndicates do not use email or texting to communicate..... *chuckle*

SepticSceptic: Yeah, and I'm sure all the professional crims and paedos don't know a thing about encryption, hidden proxies, embedding messages in JPG's and all that stuff.

Or even using a web mail draft folder !!! No email message sent, but easily accessible.

And the police will be able search your car for no reason whatsoever. Who knows what some previous passenger or car owner left something tucked away somewhere ;-0)

I couldn't quite work out if your post was sarcasm or if you were serious, but high level drug importation groups mostly use systems and technology equally or more advanced than the Police/Customs/DIA are capable of intercepting, especially in realtime.
The late 90's and early 2000's in particular saw a -massive- gap in the technology used by high level organised crime and the authorities. Add this to a bit of 'security by obscurity' and you end up with fairly inpenetratable communication/dialogue systems.

The drug syndicates in particular effectively sit on disposable financial resources, capable of buying whatever, brains, technology, reasearch, development they need to secure their interests.

I would say anything the NZ authorities are doing would generally be a massive game of catch up, just trying to get their heads above water long enough to notice the odd potential 'slip up' to begin a lead.

- I'm perfectly ok with them having these new powers, as it will give them a genuine opportunity to react faster to information so they can still see the 'footprints' left behind.

its 3G time!

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#288810 10-Jan-2010 21:45

Haha.... I just noticed your avatar.....SepticSceptic............

...so its safe to say u -were- being sarcastic.....cos I'm pretty sure Iv had a conversation about this with you before, out on the bark...........u joker you :P

its 3G time!

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#288814 10-Jan-2010 22:04

i think some websites like gmail have a ssl secure option so when you access your gmail it will be encrypted. i don't think facebook or youtube use complete ssl. some sites use it for login only. if all sites use ssl it would mean you wouldn't need to use a proxy or encryption.

remember there is already a thing called the census where you actually have to give out lots of info about yourself. just found this video link about the upcoming census on another forum =

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwDSubqKT_k

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#288822 10-Jan-2010 23:19

I am sorry but that video is idiotic and doesn't say anything about the census.

The census is just a way to know more about the population, how the country is doing, etc. I can't believe people still have a problem with that - put your tinfoil hats on people!

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#288825 10-Jan-2010 23:24

right but is the census really accurate? people on other forums say they lie on their census about their religion amoung other things. any 21st century ways to get more accurate results?

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#288826 10-Jan-2010 23:31

freitasm:
The census is just a way to know more about the population, how the country is doing, etc.

Exactly right, and as someone who does genealogy as a hobby census information has been invaluable to me.

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#288827 10-Jan-2010 23:32

Obviously this people telling you those things don't understand what is a census, and what's statistics.

Read about census here. Read about statistics here.

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#288828 10-Jan-2010 23:36

yuxek: any 21st century ways to get more accurate results?

Lawful Intercept ;)

I personally don't see a big issue with all the LI gear being installed at your favourite telco(s). The government mandates it, and unless said Telco wants to get a hefty fine for non-compliance then they need to do it.

You voted the government of the day in, so if you have a problem with it take it to your local MP!

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#288893 11-Jan-2010 10:01

Judges in Canada and the US have ruled that people have no expectation of privacy on the Internet. This means that the police don't need a search warrant to get data.

http://blog.ironkey.com/?p=156
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1283120

I don't know whether those judgements have been successfully appealed.

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#288956 11-Jan-2010 13:40

slippers: Haha.... I just noticed your avatar.....SepticSceptic............

...so its safe to say u -were- being sarcastic.....cos I'm pretty sure Iv had a conversation about this with you before, out on the bark...........u joker you :P

Just a twinge of sarcasm ... that e-mail thing about draft messages was a reference to the failed airline bomb on 23rd December. They organised the details thru draft messages.

And the car ? Well, that is true. I purchased a used car from a young fella a couple of years ago, complete with the "onst - onst" subbies ....

Couple of weeks after purchase, I needed to install a new car antenna, and required lifting up of some carpet around the passenger well. Lo and behold, a wee baggie with green and almost fully smoked "rollies" tucked up under the carpet. Stuff was so dry it crumbled to dust, so was probably there for years.

But this is what you need to watch out for ... might be a bit hard explaining that to the boys in blue.

However, I don't have too many issues with what is being done to shut down the scourge that is P. Too many lives wrecked on that stuff.

Next - Alcohol or Obesity ?

"Is that a Big Mac with Chips upsized to Extra Large?" Out of the car, sir - time for a cavity search ....

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#289075 11-Jan-2010 19:41

lol Dieter

its 3G time!

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