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#248371 22-Mar-2019 19:56
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This is yet another horribly painful fibre install experience with Chorus that is still ongoing. I'm going to describe what has happened to date in some detail below, and make people aware of what Chorus and their contractors are up to. I have been dealing with @Chorusnz for some of this, so he or others from Chorus can also respond if they choose to do so.

 

We ordered fibre through 2degrees at the beginning of March. Chorus sent a team of techs for the first scope visit. We want the ONT to be placed in the office, which is at the front centre of our house. This is roughly 5m away from the roadside, all paved with bricks along the way. To the right hand side of the office is the garage. The techs did not want to touch the bricks at all. They said that the existing phone cable conduit runs along the right hand side of the house, along one side of the garage, so they first proposed running fibre along this route, putting the ETP at one side of the garage, then running the fibre cable from one garage wall directly across to the wall on the other side, which backs on to the office wall where ONT should be, then running the cable down the office wall (which is of course ridiculous). We objected to this because: (a) clearly they could have avoided running cable down office wall by running cable to exact location on the other side of the wall, (b) we feel that cable run through the garage should not be directly across, but along the perimeter at the top of the garage, and (c) we feel that any indoor cable run should be in capping/trunking. The techs were clearly looking to do a minimal amount of work, so they were not interested in what we had to say, and since they were adamant they would not touch any bricks at the front of the house, they left without reaching any agreement with us.

 

Subsequently I got in touch with both 2degrees and @Chorusnz, who offered to intervene and make sure that a different crew of techs are sent out for the second scope visit. 2degrees told us that they can't be sure we would get a different crew, so I asked @Chorusnz to double check, and he confirmed again that a different crew would be sent out.

 

The second scope visit was earlier this week. The same crew turned up - they got a different tech to talk to us initially, but as more of the crew turned up and joined in the conversation, I could recognise many of them from the first scope visit. I wasn't happy with that at all. I wasn't sure that they would do a good job for us after the first visit, but I was prepared to give them a chance.

 

Once again, initially they refused to touch any of the bricks, so they said the route can't be though the front of the house. Again they suggested a similar plan through the garage, and we were raising the same concerns as last time to them. At this point they halted the conversation, claiming that they first needed to test the existing conduit on the right side of the house to make sure that it can be re-used. After 30-40 minutes they told us that that route is "blocked" and can't be used, so the *only viable route* is through the front of house, by lifting 5m of bricks. They said they needed to make a new connection on the roadside by digging up the lawn (on Council land), lift the bricks, then run fibre to just outside the office. Inside the office, the ONT is to be installed on a different wall to the one that the fibre comes in from, so there would be less than 1m of bare fibre cable run. We don't like this, but the techs said that if we buy the capping/trunking ourselves and supply it to them then they can use it for the install. We were not very happy because not only are we not knowledgeable about buying this stuff, but also they declined our offer of paying for the capping material and get them to buy it for us. Eventually we relented and agreed to this plan as it was presented to us. At no stage was it mentioned to us that this would not be a standard install.

 

The techs came back the next day to dig up the lawn outside of our property. When we asked them how they would start the job inside, they said they were very busy and probably wouldn't be until next week. They left shortly afterwards and have not returned since.

 

Today I got a message from @Chorusnz, informing us that we have agreed to a plan, but it "requires moving our dropoff from the right hand side to the left", which makes this a non-standard install and so would be chargeable to us. What a nasty surprise. At best the techs are misrepresenting the conversation and agreement between us, and at worst they are lying. We are very upset about the extremely poor experience we have had so far with Chorus, and we are taking this very seriously.

 

I have sent a reply to @Chorusnz raising my concerns and I'm awaiting his reply. Also I have contacted 2degress to let them know the situation and to put the install process on hold.

 

Our concerns are: (a) we never agreed to a non-standard install; (b) we can't see how we can be responsible for any charges if a "new connection" or "moving the drop-off" is the only way to supply the fibre - it's our firm belief that Chorus need to take care of this themselves; (c) we now have no confidence that this crew of technicians (who turned up twice for both scope visits despite assurances from Chorus to the contrary) would do a good job for us, and we would not want them to be involved again for any future scope visits/installation; (d) the lawn outside our property is now a mess; (e) it's unclear what the way forward is now.

 

I have been advised by the 2degrees CSR that I needed to call Chorus on one of their phone numbers, and he acknowledged that Chorus can be "difficult to get hold of". It's now the weekend, so I can't phone them until next week. As I said I already sent @Chorusnz a reply. I'd like to hear from Chorus first, but I'm thinking that I might need to make a complaint somewhere, because what has been happening is simply not acceptable to us.


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  #2203612 22-Mar-2019 20:04
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I emailed the CEO of Chorus once and she was fantastic to deal with



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  #2203624 22-Mar-2019 21:08
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The first problem that you have is CHORUS, In my opinion pay some one to run a conduit from the road to where you want the ETP to be located as chorus will not do what you want and they will most likely just stuff it all up and make a mess of the entire job.

 

I would also get a draw wire pulled in to where ever you want the ONT installed so that they have minimal work to do on the property and less things for them to make a mess of.

 

You could get a sparky to install the conduit and draw wire as they can source the green telecom ducting so that they will have one less thing to whinge about and then they would also be able to pull the draw wire in to where ever you want the ONT to be installed.

 

By doing this you should not end up with an installation like this https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/86767788/ufb-terminal-installed-in-toilet

 

This is how an install is meant to be done https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=248226

 

@Chorusnz posted this in another thread ( here https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=245250&page_no=3 )

 

Shallow bury/clipping of Micro ducting is standard practice. It does reduce the cost of each individual installation, which allowed us to cover more of New Zealand. Yes having it in a telecommunications conduit would provide further protection. However the additional cost would not outweigh the benefit in reduced faults. We have far fewer issues with people damaging Fibres in their garden than people like to believe. (It’s usually some clout with a digger and no amount of additional conduit is going to protect from that)

 

That is a load of crap really as its not following their basic requirements on trenching outlined on their website ( https://www.chorus.co.nz/help-and-support/digging/what-trenching )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2204298 24-Mar-2019 14:37
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I feel your expectations maybe a wee bit high.

 

However there are plenty of lazy / bad techs out there too. 

 

Chorus do not run internal cables in capping/trunking (period / end of story / same with some or all of the other LFCs) - if you want that done or routed internally inside the wall either do it yourself or pay a sparkie.

 

They have around $1200 per connection. It does not stretch very far. This is not mates rates pricing either, that doesn't work when you are doing 800 installs a day.

 

I would not want to touch someones brick driveway because any issue for the next 10 years will get blamed on you. 

 

Without photos it is a bit hard to really tell what all the issues and options are.

 

 

 

If you don't trust the tech or there work, you always have the option to dig / run your own conduit from the current drop off to where you want the ETP for the office and they will come back and install it in that.

 

 

 

One customer I had there conduit was damaged in there driveway, they ended up digging a 1.5m hole in the driveway before the blockage and then reroute a new conduit, until we got involved it wasn't going anywhere.




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  #2204512 25-Mar-2019 00:22
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The main point is that in the end the plan was presented to us as the only viable option, and with no mention of it being a non-standard install. It was not until a few days after the scope visit, and after having dug up the lawn, that they informed us of the non-standard bit. This is unacceptable.

 

The fact that the same crew turned up for both visits despite many assurances to the contrary (as well as the way they tried to disguise it) is also less than satisfactory.

 

[BTW, we did not ask for running internal cables inside walls. I understand that running them in capping is not part of Chorus' minimum requirements, but we also know of some cases from friends who had this done as part of a free install, so I think it's reasonable to ask during a scope visit, and it's up to us to accept any particular plan or not. You will notice that with the agreed plan we did make some compromise.]


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  #2204627 25-Mar-2019 11:44
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I do apologise for the experience. I’ve messaged you with further details on our private conversation. There appears to have been a breakdown in communication from our contractors as the information I had been given does not appear to line up with your explanation of the situation. I will continue to follow up and provide further details soon.

 

 

 

A side note regarding the bricks. They are notoriously difficult to work with, easily broken and expensive to repair. As atomeara pointed out, any issues will get blamed back on the installers, whether or not it was on them. I’m not surprised the technicians were not keen to use that route, until they had exhausted all other options.

 

 

 

@sparkz25 you are taking those details out of context. The diagrams were created for developers as part of a pack to advise best practice on laying conduit in preparation for Fibre to be installed by us after the house is built. We put them up on the site because residents were asking us about laying conduit themselves and it’s a useful resource to have available publicly.

 

You can read about the standard Fibre installation methods here: https://www.chorus.co.nz/help-and-support/fibre-installation/fibre-installation-methods. ^Richard


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  #2220254 17-Apr-2019 22:24
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Update:

 

 

After much work and discussions behind the scenes, we are finally connected, with the fibre coming in directly from the front.

 

 

It turns out that there were some other issues besides dodgy techs, one of which was that apparently the original Chorus area plan had our property assigned to some completely unrelated shared driveway, when in fact we have our own road-facing driveway. Of course, this in no way excuses the bad experiences we had.

 

 

I'd like to thank @Chorusnz for his work throughout this whole process. He helped ensure a reasonable outcome for all, and I appreciate his following up during each step of the process. Thanks!

 
 
 
 

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  #2220332 18-Apr-2019 08:51
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Absolutely no worries at all. I’m happy to have been of assistance in sorting through this and provide you with a reasonable outcome. 🙂 ^Richard


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  #2222027 22-Apr-2019 10:03
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Just DIY. We had this sort of thing, didn't want to run it where we said it was safest so we did it. Then they fed the cable through our Conduit.

 

We dug up a brick path, replaced it after, we made the hole in house for cable to go up etc.

 

They accepted it all.

 

The guys that come put get paid a set amount, of course they don't want to do extra, and I feel for them, stuck in the middle.

 

 


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