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#1989458 6-Apr-2018 13:13

tripp:

It's not $80 a month for sports, it's around $55 now (sky starter + sports).

That is true if you don't want the ability to pause and record live sport (or the other channels) in HD. IMO if you are being forced to use a decoder those features should be a given so for me it's closer to $80 but the offer at $55 I concede is pretty decent.

Reality is I'm very much a minority with what features I desire and if I want sport I need to pay $55 (and suffer some feature loss with Fan Pass) or $80 p/m. There are a few pros and cons at the moment with either option for me and therefore I chose not to watch live sport and follow them in other ways. Fan Pass pricing is so close to being where I would buy it but (for my own personal decisions) it's sill not worth it.

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#1989512 6-Apr-2018 14:21

I suspect it's all a bit academic if they can't hold onto international sports rights into the future.

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#1989523 6-Apr-2018 14:37

dafman:

I suspect it's all a bit academic if they can't hold onto international sports rights into the future.

I must have missed that. As per their presentation the majority of sports rights are not due for renewal for a few years. Do you mean the 6 week rugger tourney in Japan next year?

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#1989533 6-Apr-2018 14:49

tdgeek:

dafman:

I suspect it's all a bit academic if they can't hold onto international sports rights into the future.

I must have missed that. As per their presentation the majority of sports rights are not due for renewal for a few years. Do you mean the 6 week rugger tourney in Japan next year?

Or maybe he missed that the vast majority of viewing is not sport. Or the HBO deal announced. Or the announcement titled "

SKY NEW ZEALAND CONCLUDES A RAFT OF PREMIUM DRAMA AND MOVIE DEALS WITH THE WORLD’S BEST STUDIOS"

Maybe its just a failure to understand?

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#1989535 6-Apr-2018 14:53

There will be a service delivered by ‘puck’ – an Apple TV-style and Android-powered device.

Dont want another device, give me a app to install onto apple tv or smart tv.

Balm its gone!

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#1989537 6-Apr-2018 14:55

ockel:

tdgeek:

dafman:

I suspect it's all a bit academic if they can't hold onto international sports rights into the future.

I must have missed that. As per their presentation the majority of sports rights are not due for renewal for a few years. Do you mean the 6 week rugger tourney in Japan next year?

Or maybe he missed that the vast majority of viewing is not sport. Or the HBO deal announced. Or the announcement titled "

SKY NEW ZEALAND CONCLUDES A RAFT OF PREMIUM DRAMA AND MOVIE DEALS WITH THE WORLD’S BEST STUDIOS"

Maybe its just a failure to understand?

:-)

To expand

The vast majority of viewing is not sport

The vast majority of sport is not rugby

The vast majority of rugby, is not the 6 weeks/208 weeks RWC

I assume daf was referring to losing the RWC

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#1989538 6-Apr-2018 14:55

ockel:

tdgeek:

dafman:

I suspect it's all a bit academic if they can't hold onto international sports rights into the future.

I must have missed that. As per their presentation the majority of sports rights are not due for renewal for a few years. Do you mean the 6 week rugger tourney in Japan next year?

Or maybe he missed that the vast majority of viewing is not sport. Or the HBO deal announced. Or the announcement titled "

SKY NEW ZEALAND CONCLUDES A RAFT OF PREMIUM DRAMA AND MOVIE DEALS WITH THE WORLD’S BEST STUDIOS"

Maybe its just a failure to understand?

No matter what the content is there is no getting around the fact that Sky is a endless string of repeating repeats the constantly repeat to the point one feels like one is in the middle of a "ground hog" event. Sky needs to address this if their product is to present as a value proposition.

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#1989542 6-Apr-2018 14:58

waikariboy:

There will be a service delivered by ‘puck’ – an Apple TV-style and Android-powered device.
Dont want another device, give me a app to install onto apple tv or smart tv.

For crying out loud! :-)

That's ALREADY been mentioned and explained over and over. You want an app? You will get one, as per every article that's been published, the presentation, and at least two posters in this thread.

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#1989546 6-Apr-2018 15:02

MikeB4:

No matter what the content is there is no getting around the fact that Sky is a endless string of repeating repeats the constantly repeat to the point one feels like one is in the middle of a "ground hog" event. Sky needs to address this if their product is to present as a value proposition.

I see repeats on the doco channels, but is that a bad thing? If they have plenty of content does it matter if some repeat? Or they could remove some channels and only play originals? I find repeats handy for doco type channels. And I'm sure sports watchers wont want replays canned?

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#1989554 6-Apr-2018 15:13

ockel:

tdgeek:

dafman:

I suspect it's all a bit academic if they can't hold onto international sports rights into the future.

I must have missed that. As per their presentation the majority of sports rights are not due for renewal for a few years. Do you mean the 6 week rugger tourney in Japan next year?

Or maybe he missed that the vast majority of viewing is not sport. Or the HBO deal announced. Or the announcement titled "

SKY NEW ZEALAND CONCLUDES A RAFT OF PREMIUM DRAMA AND MOVIE DEALS WITH THE WORLD’S BEST STUDIOS"

Maybe its just a failure to understand?

No failure to understand, nor is it ignorance (you've previously thrown that one out there, so I thought I'd pop it in now to save you the trouble).

I am firm in my view that it's sport that is keeping a critical mass of viewers with Sky at current subscription cost levels. Take enough sport content out of the equation, Sky would have to significantly reduce their monthly subscription cost to match the likes of Netflix/Lightbox to stay viable.

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#1989559 6-Apr-2018 15:23

dafman:

No failure to understand, nor is it ignorance (you've previously thrown that one out there, so I thought I pop it in now to save you the trouble).

I am firm in my view that it's sport that is keeping a critical mass of viewers with Sky at current subscription cost levels. Take enough sport content out of the equation, Sky would have to significantly reduce their monthly subscription cost to match the likes of Netflix/Lightbox to stay viable.

Thats a fair comment. They could seperate Basic and Sport and offer each at the correct price levels. That may be in play with this new announcement, when they talk about low tiers and the various segments.

If so, they will continue to hold sports watchers, and may get new subscribers who want general viewing at lower pricing.

Next, the standard SVOD is a grid of images and categories, it may be that Skys SVOD is far more featured than Drama, Comedy, What May Interest You etc. And as stated above, they are getting new deals from big name media providers, so they appear to be targeting the mass public and not just the sport crew

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#1989591 6-Apr-2018 16:14

dafman:

ockel:

tdgeek:

dafman:

I suspect it's all a bit academic if they can't hold onto international sports rights into the future.

I must have missed that. As per their presentation the majority of sports rights are not due for renewal for a few years. Do you mean the 6 week rugger tourney in Japan next year?

Or maybe he missed that the vast majority of viewing is not sport. Or the HBO deal announced. Or the announcement titled "

SKY NEW ZEALAND CONCLUDES A RAFT OF PREMIUM DRAMA AND MOVIE DEALS WITH THE WORLD’S BEST STUDIOS"

Maybe its just a failure to understand?

No failure to understand, nor is it ignorance (you've previously thrown that one out there, so I thought I pop it in now to save you the trouble).

I am firm in my view that it's sport that is keeping a critical mass of viewers with Sky at current subscription cost levels. Take enough sport content out of the equation, Sky would have to significantly reduce their monthly subscription cost to match the likes of Netflix/Lightbox to stay viable.

Feel free to qualify your opinion with facts rather than conjecture. If there was a significant reduction in sport content then there would be a significant reduction in costs. What impact do you see on pricing and where do you see that cf Netflix/Lightbox et al? Have you done any analysis or are you conjecturing from a position of ignorance?

I'll give you a starting point or two. Neon is offered at $20/mth being tv and movies (including new release). I think Sky has mentioned a TV-only version of Neon maybe in the pipeline. If Lightbox (tv only) is $13/mth and Netflix (tv + old movie library) is $12/mth where do you think Neon (tv only) might be pitched? Is this reflective of the cost of content+delivery+overhead?

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#1989623 6-Apr-2018 16:55

tdgeek:

dafman:

No failure to understand, nor is it ignorance (you've previously thrown that one out there, so I thought I pop it in now to save you the trouble).

I am firm in my view that it's sport that is keeping a critical mass of viewers with Sky at current subscription cost levels. Take enough sport content out of the equation, Sky would have to significantly reduce their monthly subscription cost to match the likes of Netflix/Lightbox to stay viable.

Thats a fair comment. They could seperate Basic and Sport and offer each at the correct price levels. That may be in play with this new announcement, when they talk about low tiers and the various segments.

If so, they will continue to hold sports watchers, and may get new subscribers who want general viewing at lower pricing.

Next, the standard SVOD is a grid of images and categories, it may be that Skys SVOD is far more featured than Drama, Comedy, What May Interest You etc. And as stated above, they are getting new deals from big name media providers, so they appear to be targeting the mass public and not just the sport crew

I feel what we will see is a decent and modern VOD service for the entertainment channels/shows they have rights to coupled with the ability for people to load Netflix, Spotify etc if they desire. It looks like that is going to be a super decent, compelling option for entertainment and VOD. Something I would strongly consider.

Sport? Well there's a few ways I think they may go but that would make for a longwinded reply. I will say though that I hope they don't block premium sport products like the soon-to-be-available F1 TV Pro which is premium F1 content and something Sky will never ever be able to compete with (again another long winded opinion of that I will save you!).

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#1989650 6-Apr-2018 18:21

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dafman:

ockel:

tdgeek:

dafman:

I suspect it's all a bit academic if they can't hold onto international sports rights into the future.

I must have missed that. As per their presentation the majority of sports rights are not due for renewal for a few years. Do you mean the 6 week rugger tourney in Japan next year?

Or maybe he missed that the vast majority of viewing is not sport. Or the HBO deal announced. Or the announcement titled "

SKY NEW ZEALAND CONCLUDES A RAFT OF PREMIUM DRAMA AND MOVIE DEALS WITH THE WORLD’S BEST STUDIOS"

Maybe its just a failure to understand?

No failure to understand, nor is it ignorance (you've previously thrown that one out there, so I thought I pop it in now to save you the trouble).

I am firm in my view that it's sport that is keeping a critical mass of viewers with Sky at current subscription cost levels. Take enough sport content out of the equation, Sky would have to significantly reduce their monthly subscription cost to match the likes of Netflix/Lightbox to stay viable.

Feel free to qualify your opinion with facts rather than conjecture. If there was a significant reduction in sport content then there would be a significant reduction in costs. What impact do you see on pricing and where do you see that cf Netflix/Lightbox et al? Have you done any analysis or are you conjecturing from a position of ignorance?

I'll give you a starting point or two. Neon is offered at $20/mth being tv and movies (including new release). I think Sky has mentioned a TV-only version of Neon maybe in the pipeline. If Lightbox (tv only) is $13/mth and Netflix (tv + old movie library) is $12/mth where do you think Neon (tv only) might be pitched? Is this reflective of the cost of content+delivery+overhead?

Ha, I knew you couldn't resist throwing in another ignorance salvo. Sorry, not me.

Neon: does anyone actually pay for this overpriced offering?! (feel free to post subscription numbers relative to Lightbox & Netflix)?

Lightbox: I suspect a significant number get this for free as part of their Spark internet contract.

Netflix: Old movies - err, what about all their original new release movies getting rave reviews for the critics? Or maybe you are subscribing to a different Netflix to the rest of us.

And, just curious, suspect you either work for Sky or are a shareholder? Probably the only two groups of people left holding out any hope for an ongoing Sky future.

Anyway, that's me over and out for this Sky thread - see you on the next one (-;

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#1989656 6-Apr-2018 18:39

tdgeek:

To expand

The vast majority of viewing is not sport

The vast majority of sport is not rugby

The vast majority of rugby, is not the 6 weeks/208 weeks RWC

I assume daf was referring to losing the RWC

Viewing hours sport vs non-sport is irrelevant.

The vast majority subscribe because of sport. Having done so, because there are only one or two rugby matches each week to watch, of course the majority of their watching will be non-sport during the remainder of the week.

However, if Sky loses sport, these users will ditch Sky (because that was the draw card that saw them paying $100+ per month when all other media choices are around $20 per month), and the non-sport stuff they were watching because they had Sky will simply shift to a combination of Freeview/Netflix/Lightbox etc.

And, now, this is me well and truly over and out for this thread.

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