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#3106355 20-Jul-2023 18:45

Took up the McDonalds offer to get Sky Sport Now free for a month.

Without reading back on this thread, is it meant to be low qual and no 5.1 surround? Using the built in app on my Panasonic OLED, do have the option of using Apple TV.

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#3106357 20-Jul-2023 18:48

DjShadow:

Took up the McDonalds offer to get Sky Sport Now free for a month.

Without reading back on this thread, is it meant to be low qual and no 5.1 surround? Using the built in app on my Panasonic OLED, do have the option of using Apple TV.

im using it on Apple TV and really happy with the quality. Not sure that any sports content would be offered in 5.1?

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#3106379 20-Jul-2023 19:27

I've had Sky Sport before via their Satellite platform and the picture was much clearer and had 5.1

According to this the games are being shot in 4K https://www.imdb.com/news/ni64164326/?ref_=nws_nwr_li

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#3106454 21-Jul-2023 07:12

DjShadow:

I've had Sky Sport before via their Satellite platform and the picture was much clearer and had 5.1

According to this the games are being shot in 4K https://www.imdb.com/news/ni64164326/?ref_=nws_nwr_li

was it really 5.1 or just stereo out front and back? I can’t imagine the point of 5.1 for sport unless you have cloud noise behind you?

this FAQ says that their new skybox is 4K for other streaming services but there is no 4K content ok sky currently

https://help.sky.co.nz/s/article/New-Sky-Box-FAQs

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#3106462 21-Jul-2023 07:57

mobiusnz:
DjShadow:

I've had Sky Sport before via their Satellite platform and the picture was much clearer and had 5.1

According to this the games are being shot in 4K https://www.imdb.com/news/ni64164326/?ref_=nws_nwr_li

was it really 5.1 or just stereo out front and back? I can’t imagine the point of 5.1 for sport unless you have cloud noise behind you?

this FAQ says that their new skybox is 4K for other streaming services but there is no 4K content ok sky currently

https://help.sky.co.nz/s/article/New-Sky-Box-FAQs

I spoke to Sky last week after getting the new box and was advised that despite being 4K ready, the streaming services weren’t delivered through the box in 4K even if you were paying (Netflix for example) for 4K.

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#3106475 21-Jul-2023 08:34

DjShadow:

I've had Sky Sport before via their Satellite platform and the picture was much clearer and had 5.1

According to this the games are being shot in 4K https://www.imdb.com/news/ni64164326/?ref_=nws_nwr_li

The picture of SSN will never match that of Sky satellite. They are both delivered in 1080P 50fps but the satellite feed would typically be ~16-18Mb/s where SSN is typically 7-8Mb/s. There's just no getting around the loss of detail when your data rate is half that of satellite.

How it appears is that still and close images appear to be of similar quality but as soon the camera pans out or moves quickly to cover the action you will get blocking and artefacts that will degrade picture quality. Those of us that have been using sports streaming service (eg. Kayo) have just come to accept it as a trade off.

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#3106614 21-Jul-2023 11:29

Senecio:

DjShadow:

I've had Sky Sport before via their Satellite platform and the picture was much clearer and had 5.1

According to this the games are being shot in 4K https://www.imdb.com/news/ni64164326/?ref_=nws_nwr_li

The picture of SSN will never match that of Sky satellite. They are both delivered in 1080P 50fps but the satellite feed would typically be ~16-18Mb/s where SSN is typically 7-8Mb/s. There's just no getting around the loss of detail when your data rate is half that of satellite.

How it appears is that still and close images appear to be of similar quality but as soon the camera pans out or moves quickly to cover the action you will get blocking and artefacts that will degrade picture quality. Those of us that have been using sports streaming service (eg. Kayo) have just come to accept it as a trade off.

I don't know whether there are multiple codecs at play but I suspect there are as I find the image quality a lot better on Apple TV than it is playing from a NUC (PC) with Chrome browser. The PC spec is good i5. 8GB but only Intel GFX but the difference is dramatic. I also had a night I tried watching a rugby match on browser and it would play 5 minutes of the wrong match and then freeze but it was perfect on Ipad (didn't have the Apple TV then) so I think Sky are running a few different platforms. I find the blockiness isn't really such an issue these days on Apple TV as I think they are using a good HEVC codec and apple do probably do a bit of filling in the blanks but I really enjoy watching rugby on SPN on Apple TV where it was kind of good enough previously in browser. I suspect the Browser version might still be 264 based but I could very well be wrong there as I've done nothing to back that up with any investigation.

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#3106616 21-Jul-2023 11:32

The Apple TV streaming quality of sport on TVNZ+ is vastly superior to Sky Sport Now. How ironic that the free service is kicking the paid service.

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#3106617 21-Jul-2023 11:35

I spoke to Sky last week after getting the new box and was advised that despite being 4K ready, the streaming services weren’t delivered through the box in 4K even if you were paying (Netflix for example) for 4K.

Wow - Thats a bit disappointing considering their own FAQ on the device indicates it will work. Like everything in life its tech is probably out of date at release and not up to the requirements to play the 4K streams.

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#3106678 21-Jul-2023 15:08

JonoNZ:

The Apple TV streaming quality of sport on TVNZ+ is vastly superior to Sky Sport Now. How ironic that the free service is kicking the paid service.

I find the opposite, the TVNZ+ stream of the cricket isn't as good as anything on SSN since they upgraded the service a few months ago on my Apple TV. The highlights look to be 25fps too.

I find the 'normal' Duke feed excellent from the aerial using my HDHomeRun Tuner and the Channels app

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#3106683 21-Jul-2023 15:16

dougierydal:

JonoNZ:

The Apple TV streaming quality of sport on TVNZ+ is vastly superior to Sky Sport Now. How ironic that the free service is kicking the paid service.

I find the opposite, the TVNZ+ stream of the cricket isn't as good as anything on SSN since they upgraded the service a few months ago on my Apple TV. The highlights look to be 25fps too.

I find the 'normal' Duke feed excellent from the aerial using my HDHomeRun Tuner and the Channels app

That is interesting - The Ashes on TVNZ+ was fantastic, and way better than anything Sky has ever delivered over satellite or Sky Sport Now, at least in my experience.

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#3106695 21-Jul-2023 15:40

TVNZ+ better than SSN. Streaming via Apple TV 4K. I’m very happy with SSN, it’s a lot better than it used to be but TVNZ+ seems to as good as Spark Sport was. Also my Duke over the air quality with the Cricket is inferior to streaming. TVNZ themselves actually said that was the case.

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#3106767 21-Jul-2023 17:44

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TVNZ+ better than SSN. Streaming via Apple TV 4K. I’m very happy with SSN, it’s a lot better than it used to be but TVNZ+ seems to as good as Spark Sport was. Also my Duke over the air quality with the Cricket is inferior to streaming. TVNZ themselves actually said that was the case.

Not dismissing your post, but do you take into account the source? I watch a lot of golf on Sky, its great. But sometimes it has issues. Sometimes "sorry there is a problem we are working on it" Thats due to the source.

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#3109655 29-Jul-2023 19:42

Has anyone found a successful way of navigating / scrolling the guide on an Apple TV?
I find it very hit and miss ,clunky, doesn’t respond, skips, delay in moving up and down channels, etc.
Sometimes the back button just seems to do nothing, press a few other times nothing ,then all of a sudden do you want to exit, absolutely drives me insane.
Also, when it skips as you are about to select a channel, the back button takes you back to SS1at the current time .
Scrolling through the app on a phone is an absolute doddle, not so on the ATV .
I could cast, AirPlay, from there, what sort of defeats the purpose?

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#3109666 29-Jul-2023 20:30

Senecio:

DjShadow:

I've had Sky Sport before via their Satellite platform and the picture was much clearer and had 5.1

According to this the games are being shot in 4K https://www.imdb.com/news/ni64164326/?ref_=nws_nwr_li

The picture of SSN will never match that of Sky satellite. They are both delivered in 1080P 50fps but the satellite feed would typically be ~16-18Mb/s where SSN is typically 7-8Mb/s. There's just no getting around the loss of detail when your data rate is half that of satellite.

How it appears is that still and close images appear to be of similar quality but as soon the camera pans out or moves quickly to cover the action you will get blocking and artefacts that will degrade picture quality. Those of us that have been using sports streaming service (eg. Kayo) have just come to accept it as a trade off.

hi there, just out of curiosity, where are you getting these numbers from? do you work for sky? or can you share the sources?

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