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#2978633 7-Oct-2022 14:04

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If Sky did away with satellite in NZ there would be a huge number of people who would not be able to consume Sky Content at all, or in some cases, TV full stop.

It's not a case of being stuck in the 80's, it's a case of not wanting to cut off thousands of people who rely on their service.

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#2978636 7-Oct-2022 14:16

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I would be happy with the dongle but SWMBO wants to be able to record. Looks like we will end up with a Dish and an extra $15 a month. It appears SKY are doing away with the Dish in the UK so why are they keeping it here.

Different company somewhat trapped in a time warp in the 80s

Different companies with completely different market geographies and demographics.

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#2978639 7-Oct-2022 14:23

I think the UK will mostly do away with dishes were possible!! but some areas they will need to retain them.

Purely streaming is not an option but business suicide!!

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#2978643 7-Oct-2022 14:39

networkn:

If Sky did away with satellite in NZ there would be a huge number of people who would not be able to consume Sky Content at all, or in some cases, TV full stop.

It's not a case of being stuck in the 80's, it's a case of not wanting to cut off thousands of people who rely on their service.

Doesn't mean they should drop the sat service, just stop using it as their primary channel to customers. There is very little capacity on there for stuff, so lously low FPS interlaced 1080 is all they will be doing for quite some time. Online they can have nice proper 60FPS, 4k, HDR, Atmos etc if they choose to. Which they don't. Because they're stuck in the early 2000s where 1080i and dolby digital was considered great.

We can rely on sky and other NZ broadcasters being stuck in the past only dragging themselves out of it when being forced to.

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#2978649 7-Oct-2022 14:55

Sky have lots of free bandwidth on satellite. Changing to DVB-S2 with H.264 and dropping the duplicate SD/HD streams effectively doubled the capacity. I will guess that 4K HDR 100P will be carried on sat as a premium product. Sky had intended to drop transponders, from 14 half to 10 half from memory, on transition to new satellite (which most likely will also see transition to use of HEVC).

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#2978718 7-Oct-2022 15:56

richms:

Doesn't mean they should drop the sat service, just stop using it as their primary channel to customers. There is very little capacity on there for stuff, so lously low FPS interlaced 1080 is all they will be doing for quite some time. Online they can have nice proper 60FPS, 4k, HDR, Atmos etc if they choose to. Which they don't. Because they're stuck in the early 2000s where 1080i and dolby digital was considered great.

We can rely on sky and other NZ broadcasters being stuck in the past only dragging themselves out of it when being forced to.

The problem there is the cost per Satellite customer will double for the 10% that rely on it if the 90% move away from it

What really needs to happen is to ensure that the remaining 13% of the population that don't have access to fibre get accesses to at least 100mbps.

Now this is possible right now with Starlink but the $1000 install cost is out of reach for a lot of people

and to be fair Chorus are working towards this by redeploying cabinets in areas where copper is withdrawn out rural areas giving people a shorter loop length and faster speeds

Once everyone has access to 100mbps or more then Sky can do a Mass migration off satellite

Then there is one more hurdle to overcome, live betting requires zero delay, the nature of streaming means that you are 2-3 minutes behind live tv (try what sky sport of satellite and skygo at the same time and you will see what I mean)

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#2979938 10-Oct-2022 10:02

nztim:

The problem there is the cost per Satellite customer will double for the 10% that rely on it if the 90% move away from it

What really needs to happen is to ensure that the remaining 13% of the population that don't have access to fibre get accesses to at least 100mbps.

Then put the price of it up to reflect the declining userbase that use it, which will hopefully drive them to invest in internet infrastructure instead of bleeting that it will cost $x0,000 to get fiber to their whop-whop locations.

The only thing that should be on broadcast services is live events, everything else shifting to apps is what's happening, cant let a few people in the middle of nowhere hold that back.

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#2979942 10-Oct-2022 10:17

nztim:

The problem there is the cost per Satellite customer will double for the 10% that rely on it if the 90% move away from it

What really needs to happen is to ensure that the remaining 13% of the population that don't have access to fibre get accesses to at least 100mbps.

Now this is possible right now with Starlink but the $1000 install cost is out of reach for a lot of people

and to be fair Chorus are working towards this by redeploying cabinets in areas where copper is withdrawn out rural areas giving people a shorter loop length and faster speeds

Once everyone has access to 100mbps or more then Sky can do a Mass migration off satellite

Then there is one more hurdle to overcome, live betting requires zero delay, the nature of streaming means that you are 2-3 minutes behind live tv (try what sky sport of satellite and skygo at the same time and you will see what I mean)

I was at the Rugby on Saturday night, and in the lounge they had the coverage from Spark Sport. It was about 90 seconds behind the game. After a try was scored, I got up to go to the bathroom and as I was walking through the lounge, the try still hadn't been scored.

You couldn't stand in the lounge and watch the game as the commentary was all so far out. They did mute it after a while for those that preferred to watch from there.

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#2979943 10-Oct-2022 10:24

richms:

The only thing that should be on broadcast services is live events, everything else shifting to apps is what's happening, cant let a few people in the middle of nowhere hold that back.

It's happening now, closed copper cabinets from fibre areas are being moved to the whop whops to improve this

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#2979944 10-Oct-2022 10:25

trig42:

nztim:

Then there is one more hurdle to overcome, live betting requires zero delay, the nature of streaming means that you are 2-3 minutes behind live tv (try what sky sport of satellite and skygo at the same time and you will see what I mean)

I was at the Rugby on Saturday night, and in the lounge they had the coverage from Spark Sport. It was about 90 seconds behind the game. After a try was scored, I got up to go to the bathroom and as I was walking through the lounge, the try still hadn't been scored.

You couldn't stand in the lounge and watch the game as the commentary was all so far out. They did mute it after a while for those that preferred to watch from there.

It will improve as more efficient codecs evolve, will take time though.

I have a Sony walkman I take to the ground for live games

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#2980140 10-Oct-2022 13:15

nztim:

It will improve as more efficient codecs evolve, will take time though.

I have a Sony walkman I take to the ground for live games

It can be done now. Mixer did it, twitch does it sometimes, youtube will do it too if you send to them the right way.

They choose to have mad levels of buffering to allow for people that choose to stream over crap connections or wifi to reduce complaints

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#2981840 12-Oct-2022 09:46

Just logged in and you can pre-order the devices now, and my offer is 10% off the monthly subscription for 12 months.

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#2981847 12-Oct-2022 09:55

invisibleman18:

Just logged in and you can pre-order the devices now, and my offer is 10% off the monthly subscription for 12 months.

Where does one log in to preorder? Thanks for the info.

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#2981853 12-Oct-2022 10:07

Jiriteach:

invisibleman18:

Just logged in and you can pre-order the devices now, and my offer is 10% off the monthly subscription for 12 months.

Where does one log in to preorder? Thanks for the info.

Under "My Account" on the Sky website.

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#2981855 12-Oct-2022 10:08

Jiriteach:

invisibleman18:

Just logged in and you can pre-order the devices now, and my offer is 10% off the monthly subscription for 12 months.

Where does one log in to preorder? Thanks for the info.

Thanks for this

I was waiting for them to contact me as per their email.

Have ordered a dongle

Note according to small print today is the last day to get the 10% off your current subscription.

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