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# 175756 10-Jul-2015 18:18
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I reckon if I was a Sky exec, I would let this one slide. Mean-spirited me thinks.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11478811

A South Auckland rugby club that screened the historic test match between the All Blacks and Samoa to a crowd of around 300 people did so illegally by "stealing" the broadcast feed. The Otahuhu Rugby Club attracted the ire of broadcaster SKY TV after a Herald report noted that the club's broadcast dropped out in the 72nd minute when the match was in the balance. A SKY representative contacted the Herald to point out that club was not in fact a customer. Instead a person associated with the club had taken their personal decoder to the clubrooms, which was illegal. "This is piracy, a form of theft," SKY's spokeswoman said. "The fact is that its taking something you have not paid for."

The club had been contacted by SKY and asked to take out a subscription, which cost around $350 a month. Mr Roache said he would take the proposal to the club's committee but he was not certain it was financially viable. "We are no position of paying that every month without using it. Signing a contract for one year is crazy. I've told them we can't afford to do that. We hardly use the club. "We didn't want to make any money out of [showing the match] and now we are going to sacrifice something like $350 a month the next 12 months? What are we going to use it for? The rugby season is over now." The club had just 20 financial members, Mr Roache said. It had around 400 players, none of whom paid subs, so was forced to fundraise heavily during the season. SKY's spokeswoman said the company did not take piracy lightly as it was vital the company recouped what it spent on securing broadcasting rights for major sporting events.

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  # 1340779 10-Jul-2015 18:27
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They have let it slide. It says in the article, not taking any action. The social network comments were friendly and casual. I don't see the issue



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  # 1340784 10-Jul-2015 18:37
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tdgeek: They have let it slide. It says in the article, not taking any action. The social network comments were friendly and casual. I don't see the issue

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Ok, I hadn't delved down into the social media posts, but note that it was only after media got involved they dropped their subscription demands. So, still mean-spirited, only changed their tune until they faced the possibility of public ire.

 
 
 
 


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tdgeek: They have let it slide. It says in the article, not taking any action. The social network comments were friendly and casual. I don't see the issue

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Ok, I hadn't delved down into the social media posts, but note that it was only after media got involved they dropped their subscription demands. So, still mean-spirited, only changed their tune until they faced the possibility of public ire.


Quite possibly. Sky has the tall poppy syndrome, that doesn't help, although their reaction I felt was appropriate, as would any other provider whose paid licence for content was taken. But thats already a hot pot of debate. My skim read saw it as a valid issue to raise, they did, and left it at that. 

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  # 1340788 10-Jul-2015 18:42
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Just Sky being Sky..

They should pay $11, the equivalence of 1 days subscription

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I'm leaning the other way - I think the rugby club should be pinged for allowing this to happen. They had to know that it was wrong, and if Sky lets this slide then clubs and societies everywhere are going to try it on.

The club should have to pay at least 1 months commercial subscription, but if Sky were feeling charitable over it then that money should go to the local foodbank.

Some of the rugby club are sitting on HUGE assets and yet they still manage to get money left-right-and-centre because they operate several sets of books. (I've heard this from committee members of several different rugby clubs)

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  # 1340804 10-Jul-2015 19:14
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It's not really mean spirited of Sky.  they have different plans for residential usage vs business usage.  The rugby club tried to get around this by using a residential plan. They got caught.  

It's not different to subscribing to US Netflix, or pretending to be a student on the bus or at the cinema to get a cheaper ticket.  
you do it knowing you aren't supposed to, so if you get caught you can't really complain

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  # 1340819 10-Jul-2015 19:32
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1.6 HOME means the domestic single unit dwelling where you reside or the place we have consented to the Equipment being relocated to under clause 9.1(a).
10.2 You must not record, copy, play, publish, sell, distribute or otherwise use or retransmit the whole or any part of the Selected Service, any other programming, products or services referred to in clause 5, or the Signal under any circumstances for any purpose whatsoever other than for your personal, non-commercial use within the HOME as permitted by the Copyright Act 1994.

I will just leave this here /\
https://skytv.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/536/~/sky-domestic-terms-%26-conditions



 
 
 
 


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  # 1340823 10-Jul-2015 19:49
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You have all been well and truly brainwashed by the IP lobby. I am no fan of Sky and I make a point of showing others how to get by without it. Nothing illegal, just by pointing out alternatives that vested interests don't want people to know about.





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  # 1340825 10-Jul-2015 19:52
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keewee01: I'm leaning the other way - I think the rugby club should be pinged for allowing this to happen. They had to know that it was wrong, and if Sky lets this slide then clubs and societies everywhere are going to try it on.


Reality is that a lot of people don't "get" copyright. The number of times I've seen someone finding an image on Google Search and saying "that's what we need in our brochure/website" is incredible. Then you tell them they have to pay licence... They get "but it's free, it's on the Internet!"






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  # 1340834 10-Jul-2015 19:59
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A lot of stuff on the Internet IS free. Copyright holders (or at least those who claim to represent them) are generally pretty energetic about claiming ownership of the stuff that isn't.




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keewee01: I'm leaning the other way - I think the rugby club should be pinged for allowing this to happen. They had to know that it was wrong, and if Sky lets this slide then clubs and societies everywhere are going to try it on.


REality is that a lot of people don't "get" copyright. The number of times I've seen someone finding an image on Google Search and saying "that's what we need in our brochure/website" is incredible. Then you tell them they have to pay licence... They get "but it's free, it's on the Internet!"




Agreed - especially the younger generations. They just don't get it that someone might own the rights to what it is they are downloading from the internet, and that they shouldn't be downloading it.

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tdgeek: They have let it slide. It says in the article, not taking any action. The social network comments were friendly and casual. I don't see the issue


I am glad they let is slide.

They might have the broadcast rights.

But, the event wouldn't even have occurred without the Campbell live campaign and the Samoan rugby supporters.

So, Sky gained a lot without actually doing much anyway.

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  # 1340924 10-Jul-2015 23:35
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Its good they let it slide but I hope the discussion about this means people are more aware of the terms of a sky sub.

This doesnt compare with the doctors surgrys running cartoon DVDs in the waiting rooms and similar things. Noone goes to those places to watch them. This was using an unlicensed product as the main drawcard for a social event. No different to me throwing netflix up on a giant screen and charging admission to watch it.




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And anyone notice the game from Samoa was in SD not HD.  I guess Sky couldn't be bothered with the cost of acquiring enough satellite capacity for HD.




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