Spark and TVNZ for a RWC Bid?

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#225558 23-Nov-2017 21:47

Given the Sky love here, surprised that hasn't been commented on

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/99186865/tilt-for-rwc-rights-could-mean-all-games-shown-freetoair-says-academic

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#1907467 25-Nov-2017 08:34

I dunno. As much as I don't like Sky, they cover as much sport as they possibly can, I guess. Not sure if this would be a good thing. What happens to all the other sports? Would they stay on Sky (I guess so)?

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#1907475 25-Nov-2017 08:48

quickymart:

I dunno. As much as I don't like Sky, they cover as much sport as they possibly can, I guess. Not sure if this would be a good thing. What happens to all the other sports? Would they stay on Sky (I guess so)?

It is weird. Sky do a bang up job on commentary. When they buy RWC, its free. There are no surcharges to cover that high cost. Same with Olympics. Sure, they might grab a few one off year long subs but thats chicken feed compared to the cost of RWC.

On the other hand, they wont bleed rugby subscribers as there is Super 14, AB's. They would save a bunch of cash. If other buyers bought the rights where is the payback? Advertising probably, thats it. I cant see it, as there is no gain for Spark or TVNZ.

However, if they bought all the rugger rights and offered ad free low cost PPV, or FTA with heaps of ads, they might be able to build a rugby channel. Expand that to a rugby/cricket channel, then netball, try to cover NZ sports of interest. But again, its like building a cheap car and competing with Mercedes.

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#1907477 25-Nov-2017 08:49

Well i do hate sky but not a big fan of spark and I cannot stand rugby so meh I suppose.

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#1907527 25-Nov-2017 11:20

I find sky's commentary sycophantic. They talk and talk. It's TV not radio.

Justin Marshall just annoys me.

Thank god for the yellow "alternative commentary" button.
Give me Australian, British South African commentary any time.

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#1907572 25-Nov-2017 12:27

Please please please let them have it.

I'd rather Sky bought programming that appealed to a broader audience than keep on pandering to the rugby sycophants. Its a lot of money to waste on one event (like the millstones called the Olympics and Commonwealth Games - no broadcaster ever makes money out of those but always bids expecting to recoup it through advertising during and post-event)

But given the forecast that TVNZ has for FY2018 and the broader broadcasting dynamic it hardly seems likely that cashflow generation is going to significantly rebound to pay for any rights. Either TVNZ has to cut into its programming budget to make way for the RWC..... or its going to ask the Government to fund its portion of the bid.

And then if the Govt pays for FTA rights do we get Mediaworks and MaoriTV and Prime all asking for simulcast broadcast rights like RWC2011???

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#1907614 25-Nov-2017 12:36

tdgeek:

quickymart:

I dunno. As much as I don't like Sky, they cover as much sport as they possibly can, I guess. Not sure if this would be a good thing. What happens to all the other sports? Would they stay on Sky (I guess so)?

It is weird. Sky do a bang up job on commentary. When they buy RWC, its free. There are no surcharges to cover that high cost. Same with Olympics. Sure, they might grab a few one off year long subs but thats chicken feed compared to the cost of RWC.

On the other hand, they wont bleed rugby subscribers as there is Super 14, AB's. They would save a bunch of cash. If other buyers bought the rights where is the payback? Advertising probably, thats it. I cant see it, as there is no gain for Spark or TVNZ.

However, if they bought all the rugger rights and offered ad free low cost PPV, or FTA with heaps of ads, they might be able to build a rugby channel. Expand that to a rugby/cricket channel, then netball, try to cover NZ sports of interest. But again, its like building a cheap car and competing with Mercedes.

I know sky would still make money off this, you know owning the only major trucks and all

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#1907615 25-Nov-2017 12:40

wingbat45:

tdgeek:

quickymart:

I dunno. As much as I don't like Sky, they cover as much sport as they possibly can, I guess. Not sure if this would be a good thing. What happens to all the other sports? Would they stay on Sky (I guess so)?

It is weird. Sky do a bang up job on commentary. When they buy RWC, its free. There are no surcharges to cover that high cost. Same with Olympics. Sure, they might grab a few one off year long subs but thats chicken feed compared to the cost of RWC.

On the other hand, they wont bleed rugby subscribers as there is Super 14, AB's. They would save a bunch of cash. If other buyers bought the rights where is the payback? Advertising probably, thats it. I cant see it, as there is no gain for Spark or TVNZ.

However, if they bought all the rugger rights and offered ad free low cost PPV, or FTA with heaps of ads, they might be able to build a rugby channel. Expand that to a rugby/cricket channel, then netball, try to cover NZ sports of interest. But again, its like building a cheap car and competing with Mercedes.

I know sky would still make money off this, you know owning the only major trucks and all

Not sure that Sky owns any trucks in Japan. Hard to see it making any money off it unless it bids to be the host broadcaster in Japan. And thats pretty unlikely dont you think?

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#1907630 25-Nov-2017 13:06

With two bidders, guess the price will end up higher then otherwise for actual cost of event.

I guess TVNZ, Spark have some plan to how to make money out of it, adds will have to be expensive, to recoup money.

Be interesting to see what happens.

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#1907740 25-Nov-2017 19:46

ockel:

wingbat45:

tdgeek:

quickymart:

I dunno. As much as I don't like Sky, they cover as much sport as they possibly can, I guess. Not sure if this would be a good thing. What happens to all the other sports? Would they stay on Sky (I guess so)?

It is weird. Sky do a bang up job on commentary. When they buy RWC, its free. There are no surcharges to cover that high cost. Same with Olympics. Sure, they might grab a few one off year long subs but thats chicken feed compared to the cost of RWC.

On the other hand, they wont bleed rugby subscribers as there is Super 14, AB's. They would save a bunch of cash. If other buyers bought the rights where is the payback? Advertising probably, thats it. I cant see it, as there is no gain for Spark or TVNZ.

However, if they bought all the rugger rights and offered ad free low cost PPV, or FTA with heaps of ads, they might be able to build a rugby channel. Expand that to a rugby/cricket channel, then netball, try to cover NZ sports of interest. But again, its like building a cheap car and competing with Mercedes.

I know sky would still make money off this, you know owning the only major trucks and all

Not sure that Sky owns any trucks in Japan. Hard to see it making any money off it unless it bids to be the host broadcaster in Japan. And thats pretty unlikely dont you think?

I would say he's talking about "all the rugger rights" - i.e Spark/TVNZ doing Super rugby as well.

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#1907742 25-Nov-2017 20:05

Trucks? Typo? The issue is only about RWC. Every 4 years for a few weeks then its gone for another 4 years