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#30165 30-Jan-2009 16:47

Hi, When I first got MySky, I was able to record from the MySKY recordings onto a DVD recorder, but after a firmware upgrade, I can no longer do that on some channels. Eg Sky movies 1, 2, MGM and TV3. Some other channels are ok.

The DVD recorder detects the copyright protection and blocks you from recording.

I have complained to Sky because it is for personal use, and TV3 is free to air anyway.

Sky said it is the HD and they can't control it, so I got the HD turned off, and just kept the MySKY (saved $10/month too), but I still cant record. Complained to Sky, and reminded them that MGM isn't HD anyway, and they are unable to solve the problem.

Currently, the only way I can do this now, is to record from the composite out to a PC with TV card and composite in.

Sky were going to get back to me, when they have a solution, but that was 6 months ago, and they never did.

Just wondered what other people are doing about this problem ?

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#193030 31-Jan-2009 06:44

Sky are just protecting the HD content from external recording, as most providers need to. The problem is with the licences (distributors and studios) and not with Sky. They're likely tied to protecting the HD content from external recording, which is perfectly understandable.

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#193036 31-Jan-2009 08:21

The other issue to remember is what you are doing is illegal. There is no provision for format shifting video under our copyright legislation. While you may disagree with Sky's actions you certainly aren't going to get any action from them.

If you visit your local Jaycar store with your credit card you will find the solution.

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#193038 31-Jan-2009 08:26

Maybe your other option is to hand back in your MySky HDi box because you aren't using your HD facility anyway and ask for the older silver MySky box and you can record off that no problem as far as I'm aware. I am sure there are plenty of the old silver ones floating around at Sky HQ, that seems the most simple way for you. Not what I would do because we love MySky HDi and with multiroom there is plenty of HDD recording space with both STB's for us anyway, has made our DVD recorder redundant.

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#193045 31-Jan-2009 09:25

Thanks for the comments but, we like the MySKY unit, as it has a number of good features, program linking, 250G storage (I think), recording 2 programs and watching a 3rd. The reason for recording to a DVD recorder is because it also has a 250G HDD, and the use is for time-shifting, which is legally allowed.

Also, you need to remember that SKY policy allows them to wipe your MySKY HDD, eg when you card is changed or with some firmware updates.

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#193046 31-Jan-2009 09:50

grantcoll: The reason for recording to a DVD recorder is because it also has a 250G HDD, and the use is for time-shifting, which is legally allowed.

Technically speaking the time shifting has occured with the recording to the MySky unit. Format shifting then occurs when you transfer from HDD to DVD. Anybody who uses a HDD/DVD recorder to store recordings on DVD is also breaking the law. That's the stupidity of our new copright laws.

The solution is very simple and Jaycar will be able to help. They have what you need.

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#193047 31-Jan-2009 09:50

grantcoll: Thanks for the comments but, we like the MySKY unit, as it has a number of good features, program linking, 250G storage (I think), recording 2 programs and watching a 3rd. The reason for recording to a DVD recorder is because it also has a 250G HDD, and the use is for time-shifting, which is legally allowed.

Also, you need to remember that SKY policy allows them to wipe your MySKY HDD, eg when you card is changed or with some firmware updates.

MySky1 will do nearly everthing MySkyHDi does except for you can only record one while watching another and HD ( which you don't use anyway ), it has series link, the HDD will handle around six pages of recorded progams approx and you are recording to a DVD recorder as well anyway so that's plenty. I just can't see the point of having MySky HDi if you don't watch HD, and it's not letting you do what you want to do and MySky1 will, which is your main objective is to record to a DVD recorder, but hey each to it's own.

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#193250 1-Feb-2009 17:00

grantcoll: Hi, When I first got MySky, I was able to record from the MySKY recordings onto a DVD recorder, but after a firmware upgrade, I can no longer do that on some channels. Eg Sky movies 1, 2, MGM and TV3. Some other channels are ok.

The DVD recorder detects the copyright protection and blocks you from recording.

I have complained to Sky because it is for personal use, and TV3 is free to air anyway.

Sky said it is the HD and they can't control it, so I got the HD turned off, and just kept the MySKY (saved $10/month too), but I still cant record. Complained to Sky, and reminded them that MGM isn't HD anyway, and they are unable to solve the problem.

Currently, the only way I can do this now, is to record from the composite out to a PC with TV card and composite in.

Sky were going to get back to me, when they have a solution, but that was 6 months ago, and they never did.

Just wondered what other people are doing about this problem ?

When I was unable to record to dvd off mysky I did a system reset (the red button by the sky card) and everything worked again. I must admit I don't transfer much these days, mainly stuff off Prime and UKTV (not HD).

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#193414 2-Feb-2009 14:43

grantcoll: Hi, When I first got MySky, I was able to record from the MySKY recordings onto a DVD recorder, but after a firmware upgrade, I can no longer do that on some channels. Eg Sky movies 1, 2, MGM and TV3. Some other channels are ok.

The DVD recorder detects the copyright protection and blocks you from recording.

I have complained to Sky because it is for personal use, and TV3 is free to air anyway.

Sky said it is the HD and they can't control it, so I got the HD turned off, and just kept the MySKY (saved $10/month too), but I still cant record. Complained to Sky, and reminded them that MGM isn't HD anyway, and they are unable to solve the problem.

Currently, the only way I can do this now, is to record from the composite out to a PC with TV card and composite in.

Sky were going to get back to me, when they have a solution, but that was 6 months ago, and they never did.

Just wondered what other people are doing about this problem ?

I think that, with a MySKY HDi, you will get HD TV3 whether or not you pay SKY for the HD package, as a kind of free gift from TV3. That would explain why you would still be unable to transfer TV3 content to an external device, but it seems really strange that you wouldn't be able to record the other channels if they were SD.

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#193462 2-Feb-2009 17:23

Yep, even SKY admitted they didn't know why, and also, why MGM, as that is not even an HD channel. And yet we could record from Movie Greats and Sports.

I actually thought I was going nuts, but there are plenty of complaints about this in the UK, where SKY run similar services.

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#193465 2-Feb-2009 17:36

grantcoll: Yep, even SKY admitted they didn't know why, and also, why MGM, as that is not even an HD channel. And yet we could record from Movie Greats and Sports.

I actually thought I was going nuts, but there are plenty of complaints about this in the UK, where SKY run similar services.

Sky should know what it is - the MySky HDi manual clearly says that composite outputs use Macrovison or CGMS-A. Sky UK use similair boxes so it's not surprising that their composite outputs all have Macrovision or CGMA-A as well. The issue has nothing to do with HD channels or the ICT flag.

I've already mention a few times what the solution is - visit Jaycar, explain to the guy/girl at the counter what your problem is and you'll be up and running in no time.

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#196497 18-Feb-2009 13:38

clevedon :we love MySky HDi and with multiroom there is plenty of HDD recording space with both STB's for us anyway, has made our DVD recorder redundant.

What do you mean by this? You can use your mysky hdi to record channels off of your multiroom STB?

We have myskyhdi (not for hd content, but for bigger hard drive space) and we have multiroom - which involved moving our old stb downstairs - so that supplies sky to master bedroom and my daughters bedroom. But we don't have the downstairs STB hooked up to upstairs - although the wires are still there form when we had normal sky digital STB upstairs running the cable to the master bedroom.

I dunno why the sky man didn't hook downstairs stb back to the upstairs tv - which would give us another sky channel to record - and we could use the DVD recorder.

Which I only ever use the DVD recorder as a backup to record programs if I feel mysky will have a spazz and freeze.

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#196568 18-Feb-2009 17:37

All you guys saying how great the SKYHDI unit is, will have a fit one day, when SKY do an upgrade or change your card and you loose it all. I agree, it is great while it is working ok, but we lost it all once....

Thanks sbiddle, but we don't live in AK, so I wrote to jaycar, and they carefully advised me that you are not allowed to do that. I have written back saying this is just a timeshifting excercise, but one that SKY can't inadvertantly delete. Will see what they come back with.

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#196576 18-Feb-2009 18:01

grantcoll: All you guys saying how great the SKYHDI unit is, will have a fit one day, when SKY do an upgrade or change your card and you loose it all. I agree, it is great while it is working ok, but we lost it all once....

Thanks sbiddle, but we don't live in AK, so I wrote to jaycar, and they carefully advised me that you are not allowed to do that. I have written back saying this is just a timeshifting excercise, but one that SKY can't inadvertantly delete. Will see what they come back with.

I am only using mysky in the interim. Since it is buggy and glitching and freezes lots - the last few months allowed me to test it, and not overly happy with it.

We are going to save up and build our own pvr-pc - i could use my pc now to do it, but I don't want it on 24/7 and would prefer to build one in it's own special box to sit under the tv and network it with my pc. Luckily for us we have a friend that is computer/techy to help us.

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#196597 18-Feb-2009 20:32

I've got an external hard disk recorder. It recorded movies 1 HD channel, movies 2 and TV3 HD fine. Connected by the scart plug on VCR out on the mysky. It was downscaled, but no problems recording as my hard disk recorder wouldn't be able to handle HD.

Only channels it won't record is pay per view. Tried on the 5 minute window given at start of each movie, comes up with "Protected signal, Recording not permitted"

Can't see why external DVD recorder would be any different.