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#36734 1-Jul-2009 10:31
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Sky subscribers will be able to view taxpayer-funded channels TVNZ6 and TVNZ7 from Wednesday.


The family and current affairs channels have only been broadcast to the 12 per cent of households that have bought Freeview set-top boxes, but will reach nearly 60 per cent of households once they are available on Sky.


Television New Zealand's general manager of digital services, Eric Kearley, says ......


http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/2547185/TVNZ6-TVNZ7-heading-to-Sky-TV


I guess we are now moving to a "onebox" scenario (thankfully).



 


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  #229841 1-Jul-2009 10:36
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Whoopty Doo FrownFrown

Unfortunately, I'm paying for that krap...............



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  #229852 1-Jul-2009 11:00
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I hope they advertise Freeview heavily on those feeds to SKY.

Hmm taxpayer funded channels with no ad revenue being fed to SKY subscribers. I see a case for it, though I am not 100% happy about the idea.







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  #229874 1-Jul-2009 11:54
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tonyhughes: I hope they advertise Freeview heavily on those feeds to SKY.



Hmm taxpayer funded channels with no ad revenue being fed to SKY subscribers. I see a case for it, though I am not 100% happy about the idea.


Why not? sky subscribers are tax payers too....

We just choose to purchase further channels




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  #229936 1-Jul-2009 13:59
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Balchy:
tonyhughes: I hope they advertise Freeview heavily on those feeds to SKY.



Hmm taxpayer funded channels with no ad revenue being fed to SKY subscribers. I see a case for it, though I am not 100% happy about the idea.


Why not? sky subscribers are tax payers too....


We just choose to purchase further channels


So you don't mind paying twice then?? Once as a tax payer and once as a Sky sub..?





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  #229940 1-Jul-2009 14:02
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Nope not at all, Its my personal choice to pay for the sky channels.

They havent jacked the price up by anthing noticible to have the extra content, and to be honest it saves me having to fork out for another stb. Its win-win really





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  #229941 1-Jul-2009 14:02
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Let's be realistic here?

What do you get on Freeview that is worth watching?

I have elected to pay additional $$$$ to see what I want to watch.

Why should non-Sky subscribers get if for nothing?

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  #229955 1-Jul-2009 14:48
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Zippity: Why should non-Sky subscribers get if for nothing?

So you un-ticked the "tax me additional amount to subsidise TVNZ and its costs in getting onto Freeview" box?

Interesting.

I didn't untick it, so I too am paying to see it, and I am also paying for SKY subscribers to pay to see it.

I think putting taxpayer funded channels on SKY is a bad idea at the moment because of SKYs unwillingness to make Prime available on Freeview.

TVNZ / *.govt.nz has just bent over and taken one from SKY, while ignoring the prime elephant in the room.







 
 
 

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tonyhughes:
Zippity: Why should non-Sky subscribers get if for nothing?

So you un-ticked the "tax me additional amount to subsidise TVNZ and its costs in getting onto Freeview" box?

Interesting.

I didn't untick it, so I too am paying to see it, and I am also paying for SKY subscribers to pay to see it.

I think putting taxpayer funded channels on SKY is a bad idea at the moment because of SKYs unwillingness to make Prime available on Freeview.

TVNZ / *.govt.nz has just bent over and taken one from SKY, while ignoring the prime elephant in the room.


Um sorry what? you arent paying jack for sky subscribers, as I said above they are all tax payers too and have every right to that content.

And what really are you missing out on with prime? Does tax funding go to prime? not so much




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  #229960 1-Jul-2009 15:01
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Balchy: Nope not at all, Its my personal choice to pay for the sky channels.



They havent jacked the price up by anthing noticible to have the extra content, and to be honest it saves me having to fork out for another stb. Its win-win really





+1 for me too. Finally I am getting what my taxes pay for, on one box. It's been too long coming. Do you think I can get a tax refund for the time I couldn't get TVNZ 6 and 7 without purchasing another box?Wink

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  #229966 1-Jul-2009 15:21
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tonyhughes:...so I too am paying to see it, and I am also paying for SKY subscribers to pay to see it.


I'm a Sky subscriber and a tax payer. Up until today, I have been paying for all NON Sky subscribers to see these freeview channels while I haven't been able to (without having a second set-top box - was never going to happen).

The fact is that nobody is getting a raw deal out of this.

My SKY subscription prices haven't risen as a result of having access to Freeview channels so I'm not paying twice as old3eyes puts it.

Non-SKY subscribers are also not having to pay any form of increased subsidy in order for me to have access to these channels on SKY. If anything, most of our taxes have DECREASED in recent times rather than increased so there is no disadvantage to any of us there either.

Everything is now right with the world :) We are all taxpayers and we now all have access to these taxpayer-funded TV channels via the method that we have the freedom to choose

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  #229972 1-Jul-2009 15:53
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Balchy: you arent paying jack for sky subscribers, as I said above they are all tax payers too and have every right to that content.

Tax money for TVNZ is NOT apportioned out on a basis of some of the population being SKY subscribers and some not.

My tax money is being used to support TVNZ6 and TVNZ7, and SKY subscribers benefit from that spend. Thats a fact.

I think perhaps TVNZ has underestimated the long term benefit to SKY of having these two channels on the SKY platform (in addition to TV One and TV2).

and have every right to that content.

Never said they didn't.

And what really are you missing out on with prime?

Programming that I wish to see perhaps?

I am not sure that your disinterest in Primes programming invalidates my interest in the channel.

Does tax funding go to prime? not so much

Indirectly, yes, it does.

Prime is owned by a company that is benefitting from taxpayer funded channels being placed on its owners platform, but no such reciprocation is occurring.

I don't have a particular problem with the TVNZ stuff being on SKY, but I think TVNZ has screwed the pooch on this one by allowing it to happen without getting Prime on Freeview.

Don't take any of this as a dig at anyone personally on this forum, nor at SKY. It's TVNZ that I believe has scored a fail mark here.







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  #229973 1-Jul-2009 15:55
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So by my paying for sky should subsidise prime so it is available to those who dont pay it?

Same argument you are using, just flipped around.




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  #229974 1-Jul-2009 15:56
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also i dont think having tvnz6 and 7 on sky is going to be the tipping point in someones decision to get sky, if they want sky they want it for the pay content not the FTA content.




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  #229976 1-Jul-2009 16:00
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Balchy: So by my paying for sky should subsidise prime so it is available to those who dont pay it?

Same argument you are using, just flipped around.

Not the same argument, Prime is already available free to air, and the deal is done to get TVNZ 6 & 7 onto SKY.

My issue lies around getting Prime moved onto the Freeview platform - something that as a taxpayer, I don't believe TVNZ have done enough to try and make happen.

Despite the fact that it is not TVNZs responsibility, they were really the only player in a position to leverage something to make it happen.

That leverage looks to be gone now.







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  #229978 1-Jul-2009 16:01
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Balchy: also i dont think having tvnz6 and 7 on sky is going to be the tipping point in someones decision to get sky, if they want sky they want it for the pay content not the FTA content.

You could potentially pick any two channels on SKY to present the same argument about.

:-P







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