elp Retrofitting house wiring for mysky HDI and Sharing throughout house

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mrhaboobi

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#44463 27-Oct-2009 22:45

Ok a question on wiring.

I have wired my house to have the following

1. Satellite dish to sky ( RG6)
2. Ariel to Sky Box ( Rg6 )
3. Rg6 from back of sky box to splitter ( 2way ) - one connection to tv, and one back into the roof to a 5 way splitter.
4. 5 way spliter back to the rest of the rooms in the house to give sky and tv in all rooms

Moving forward to MySkyHDI im trying to figure out what is required..

1. RG6 - from Aerial to myskyhdi box
2 2x RG6 from dish to Myskyhdi

so thats 3 rg6 coming in to lounge room.

at this point i now have to get mysky to my tv in the lounge, this can be via hdmi. i also want an aerial connection to the same tv so that i can get freeview HD. i assume the box has this output.

Next i would like to get the MySky to the tv in the bedroom ( where i dont have a sky decoder ) i assume i need to either

1. run a HDMI spliter from mysky so that i can run HDMI to bed room and one to tv in the lounge.

im just wondering the best way to do this.. im going to have to retro fit alll of this into the house, i previously drilled down the internal cavity wall and ran all my own hifi and tv cables, so im capable just need to figure out what i need to do so that i can minimise the time i spend going up and down into the roof. should i be considering runnning cat6 throughout the house so that i can do hdmi splitting using that method?

any advice on wiring would be greatly appreciated.

Dingbatt

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#267590 28-Oct-2009 09:29

To my knowledge MySkyHDi doesn't have RF pass-thru so 'the box' doesn't have this output. There is no RF modulator built into the MySkyHDi so your UHF signal for FreeviewHD TV doesn't need to go near it.
Dual Cat6 cables will be required if you want to transfer the signal via hdmi using baluns. This is the best solution if you have hi def TVs because using RF cabling (RG6) limits you to SD, and the lowest quality SD at that.
If you do decide to use RF, Sky will provide the required modulator for a charge.
You also have to get whatever signal type you choose back out of the lounge to the other TV.

Have you considered centrally locating the MySkyHDi and then distributing to required locations? You would require an IR transfer system for control, but you then only require outlets in each room. MySky is not like a DVD player in that you generally don't frequent access to the STB itself. This is the system I use now with a central MySky via splitter to the TVs. My original system was having AV equipment in lounge then distributed to other rooms - too many cables and inlets/outlets as system got more complicated, so that is why I changed.

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mrhaboobi

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#267601 28-Oct-2009 09:49

HI Dingbat. id be very interested to know more about your solution, as im retro fitting i dont want to do this over and over :).. having the unit in a central location would be good, i dont know much about the IR Transfer station, so keen to know more about that, also the HDMI and baluns, are there any that people recommend, or know of a source to get them fairly cheap? i have a stack of rg6 conpression fitting so can run the rg6 that i need to a single location, and then i assume run cat6 throughout the house and run mysky over that. I also need to do a similar thing with Network cables, and im tempted to centralise that aswell so that the modem and wireless router is in a single location.. Would it be worth running MORE than 2 rg6 for the myski, is it possible that future boxes will require 3 or even 4 cables?

any input or information on what bits i might need or links to helpful posts would be great.

Dingbatt

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#267651 28-Oct-2009 12:13

mrhaboobi: HI Dingbat. id be very interested to know more about your solution, as im retro fitting i dont want to do this over and over :).. having the unit in a central location would be good, i dont know much about the IR Transfer station, so keen to know more about that, also the HDMI and baluns, are there any that people recommend, or know of a source to get them fairly cheap? i have a stack of rg6 conpression fitting so can run the rg6 that i need to a single location, and then i assume run cat6 throughout the house and run mysky over that. I also need to do a similar thing with Network cables, and im tempted to centralise that aswell so that the modem and wireless router is in a single location.. Would it be worth running MORE than 2 rg6 for the myski, is it possible that future boxes will require 3 or even 4 cables?

any input or information on what bits i might need or links to helpful posts would be great.

All of my AV equipment is in a central cupboard (see signature block for components). I now have only an hdmi cable and RF RG6 running to the lounge TV (freeview capable) and the same plus composite from Sky digital to the media room TV (non-freeview). I use an HT receiver to do the switching and power the speakers in each room.
The MySky runs into a 1x4 splitter then to each of the receivers/displays. Using hdmi allows CEC control of the receiver using the TV control (off/on and volume) for compliant components (the lounge in my case).

IR transfer can be achieved either wirelessly or wired. I found the wired solution (Jaycar) that had better control over the MySkyHDi than the wireless ones I tried. It requires three wires to the sensor in the room (I used cat5e) and the control unit uses 12VDC and runs the IR flashers in the cupboard. Sorry I can't find the item on the Jaycar site at the moment to link.

The latest lnbs on sky dishes have 4 connectors on them (four RG6s in future?). Which means if your MySky is hidden in a cupboard running extra connections won't muck up your lounge.

If you are renovating then running some 40mm conduit in the walls will allow some later asdditions.

Incidentally I was just looking at a EX series Sony LCD that is completely (apart from AC power) wireless. Might be the way of the future......

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mrhaboobi

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#267657 28-Oct-2009 12:27

Ok so i have a few things to get my head around, and im trying to read up on all the posts i can find. ive got lots of questions.

The house is being retrofitted, but where possible no gib replacement. This is fine as i have long drill extensionsand auger bits to do the job, ive done this previously for hifi cables..

If i want to go the whole hog and do everything nice i figure i need to have a single location where i have the MyskyHDI, ADSL Router/modem and Master Phone socket.. so my questionson achieving this are.

1. The master is currently in th kitchen, if i want to MOVE that to a cupboard what are the issues i could face, what if the main feed from telecom is not long enough to move it where i want.. how do i get around this.

2. I can run a single RG6 to every room in the house where i want FreeviewHD tv. simple i would run these all to my central location and with a splitter there join them to the single aerial feed.

3. i can run 2 ( or more ) rg6 from the dish to the central location and into the mysky.

4. i can run 4 Cat5 from each room to the central point ( 2x cat5 for HDMI, 1x cat5 for gigabit, 1x cat5 for Phone and IR) i assume this is correct or is there some more sharing i can achieve to reduce cable numbers?

so thats the physical wires that i need essentiall 1xrg6 and 4x cat5 in each room, is this overkill?

So now its all the parts that i need in the central location that im unsure of. Also the phone lines and ADSL, not sure how to handle that, i think i need to wire into a splitter or something?

im a real noob when it comes to patch panels.. so im a little unsure how to make this all a reality. Plus unsure on what hardware to buy with respect to Cat 5 sockets for PDL face plates and also the IR sensors. ( wondering if PDL do anything? ).. also the HDMI baluns.. not sure on what to obtain there..

Ive read one of the guides by some of the forum members here,, would love to see a bigger more complete one using MyskyHDI in a central locations with IR stuff incorporated..

Sorry for the stupid questions, keen to learn, its funny just how much we need to do to support LCD tvs.. long live CRT :)

In addtion to all of this im wondering what cables can be run next to each other, power + ???. i think rightnow i can see a few instances of Power + RG6, + Phone.. but is CAT5 one of these types where it doesnt like to run with power?

Dingbatt

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#267765 28-Oct-2009 17:28

1. Pass. Not good with phone stuff.
2. Yes but you may need some amplification of the signal depending on how many splits.
3. Yes
4. Cat5 cable is cheap, so the more the better. I have cable in the wall that I can pull through the wallplate when required. I am not sure about the phone running in the same cable as the IR setup, mine are separate (see answer 1). The IR box from Jaycar is a Digitech one but I can't see a model number on it.
In my experience you can never have too many cables in your wall. If while you are pulling one RG6 through your wall you add another to it and take it back to your hub cupboard you are then set up in case you need to add another RF feed in the future. As an example the latest AV expo in Europe featured some TVs from major manufacturers that had satellite decoders in them as well as terrestrial ones.
Depending on how much of a DIYer you are you could always do all the donkey work drilling and cable pulling yourself and then get a professional to connect it all up for you.
Also depending on how much equipment is in the cupboard it may need to be vented.

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