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#324567 28-Apr-2026 18:37
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I am trying to help someone help someone in a care home with a phone issue. The lady in question is entirely inflexible and can only deal with a phone like the one she has always been used to, which is a land line with a handset. She is unable to cope with a normal cell phone. She needs an old-fashioned handset she can pick up to call out or answer. She previously had a Spark land line on the care home system but that has now been disestablished due to the end of copper. The residents of this home are on their own as far as private phones in their rooms go.

 

Her daughter, who has no technical knowledge, brought a phone from Australia because it has the required handset and she could find nothing comparable in New Zealand. The phone is a Senico, model Easy Dial (no other info on it). The daughter was assured by the phone salesperson that it would work normally in New Zealand.

 

The phone does work fine at different locations, but not at the care home. For some reason random test calls get sent to voicemail instead of ringing the phone. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. At other locations it works perfectly normally all of the time. This problem only seems to occur in the one location where the phone is actually needed.

 

I don’t know much about phones and I don’t know what to do about this situation. Maybe the cell signal is unusually weak in the older lady’s room, or maybe there is some kind of local interference. The daughter says that moving the phone around the room does seem to affect how it works, but the one place it needs to be for the older lady’s access is where it becomes intermittent.

 

The phone also has wi-fi and there is wi-fi at the home, but the daughter has been told that only works on a post-pay account and the phone is currently on Spark pre-pay. She is confused and frankly, so am I. Is there anything to do about this situation? It is all way over my head.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #3485192 28-Apr-2026 19:06
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Is it this phone? https://www.seniorsphone.com.au/product/fixed-wireless-4g-desk-phone-big-button-4g-senior-phone/

 

Are you sure it supports VoLTE? It must be a coverage issue




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  #3485193 28-Apr-2026 19:07
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Okay let me break this done.

1. She has a cellphone service. Spark prepay can do Wi-Fi calling but only if the phone (the device) can actually support it. So without that she is screwed with the inconsistent coverage(likely cell edge and whilst the phone says its ok, the network can't reach it).

 

2. What that someone actually needs and wants is some form of fixed connection on a very cheap basis and a landline attached to an ATA. A 4G Fixed Wireless service for just a landline is both uneconomical and prone to issue 1 if cell phone coverage is horrendous. However finding an ISP that will do the former is like finding a diamond in some sand.

 

2a. To add to this with actual experiences, at my time at One NZ I've seen a few cases in rest homes(because they are far too well built for their own good that they block out RF), they get setup with FWA on the lowest plan and they don't use data at all(or hardly ever) and they just want a landline. This ends up being a very bad idea because the winds could blow the trees in the wrong direction and now you're in trouble. A few cases we've just flogged to Spark because they did coverage better... this one is the exception, sometimes we managed to convince them to do Fibre Starter + VoIP... but now that's about 25% more.

 

 

 

If we MUST keep the Senico Easy Dial phone then find a provider that does coverage better. 

 

However, at the end of the day it's still an unsupported cellphone, it if quacks like a duck, talks like a duck, walks like a duck, it's probably a duck, a 111 call may fail because it has not been tested or built to be supported for New Zealand's mobile network.

 

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Is it this phone? https://www.seniorsphone.com.au/product/fixed-wireless-4g-desk-phone-big-button-4g-senior-phone/

 

Are you sure it supports VoLTE?

 

 

Well John, considering there are no more 3G networks and it works intermittently it must support it. It's just crappy cell edge coverage.

 

 





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  #3485200 28-Apr-2026 19:51
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Well John, considering there are no more 3G networks and it works intermittently it must support it. It's just crappy cell edge coverage.

 

 

To be clear, it seems to work consistently except at the home location, which is Havelock North, where there is plenty of infrastructure. Everywhere else it is fine.

 

 





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  #3485201 28-Apr-2026 19:53
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So it only leaves poor coverage in that location


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  #3485203 28-Apr-2026 19:57
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Rikkitic:

 

MaxineN:

 

Well John, considering there are no more 3G networks and it works intermittently it must support it. It's just crappy cell edge coverage.

 

 

To be clear, it seems to work consistently except at the home location, which is Havelock North, where there is plenty of infrastructure. Everywhere else it is fine.

 

 

 

 

Now that makes way too much sense. :-)

 

Still. This phone is undesirable for all of the very important reasons why as outlined in my reply.

 

@saf Shaun... You wear many hats... Does the Vetta hat include just provisioning VoIP over an ONT or an ATA that can be done over WiFI so we can just connect a plain old telephone to the modern day calling world?

 

I'm sure there's a reasonable market for this... 





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  #3485210 28-Apr-2026 20:27
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Based on this

 

Rikkitic:

 

She needs an old-fashioned handset she can pick up to call out or answer. She previously had a Spark land line on the care home system but that has now been disestablished due to the end of copper. The residents of this home are on their own as far as private phones in their rooms go.

 

 

and this

 

Rikkitic:

 

To be clear, it seems to work consistently except at the home location, which is Havelock North, where there is plenty of infrastructure. Everywhere else it is fine.

 

 

 

 

The care home will have a fibre ONT onsite, more than likely, there will be a spare Voice Port on said ONT. 

 

Spark will sell you a landline on that Voice Port irrespective of who has data services on the ONT, as long as the port is not attached to another active service. 

 

 

 

As much as I think this is a waste of money, I think it is the simplest and most reliable solution under the circumstances. 





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  #3485318 29-Apr-2026 00:58
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If she just wants an old-fashioned phone an HT801 ATA Adapter plugged into the router at the rest home connected to Hero then patched through to her room

 

Under $10 per month job done





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  #3485337 29-Apr-2026 08:00
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nztim:

 

If she just wants an old-fashioned phone an HT801 ATA Adapter plugged into the router at the rest home connected to Hero then patched through to her room

 

Under $10 per month job done

 

 

Anything like this is probably beyond them. The elderly lady seems incapable of dealing with anything new or different and the daughter's patience is also running out. I am not directly involved in this so only have the daughter's descriptions to go by. My understanding is that the people who work at the home do not see this as their problem and are also not eager to help with anything outside their job description.

 

I am going to recommend that she try a different provider. That seems simplest to me and she can handle changing a SIM card.

 

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I appreciate it.

 

 





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  #3485340 29-Apr-2026 08:17
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MaxineN:

 

@saf Shaun... You wear many hats... Does the Vetta hat include just provisioning VoIP over an ONT or an ATA that can be done over WiFI so we can just connect a plain old telephone to the modern day calling world?

 

 

Vetta voice isn't provisioned to ONT ports, only ATA's - either ones we dispatch to the customer, or we can supply SIP details. :-)





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  #3485341 29-Apr-2026 08:19
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Rikkitic:

 

Anything like this is probably beyond them. The elderly lady seems incapable of dealing with anything new.

 

 

There is nothing "new" from a user perspective, it's the phone she is used to, it gets dial tone and she can make/receive calls

 

Once someone with skill does the setup up it's like a traditional landline

 

even buy two HT801 adapters in case one breaks they are cheap as chips





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  #3485352 29-Apr-2026 08:40
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nztim:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Anything like this is probably beyond them. The elderly lady seems incapable of dealing with anything new.

 

 

There is nothing "new" from a user perspective, it's the phone she is used to, it gets dial tone and she can make/receive calls

 

Once someone with skill does the setup up it's like a traditional landline

 

even buy two HT801 adapters in case one breaks they are cheap as chips

 

 

Your last lines are the problem. All of this devolves on the daughter, who just wants to push a button and have things work. I am not able or willing to get directly involved. I am just trying to provide advice as best I can.

 

 





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  #3485424 29-Apr-2026 08:57
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Rikkitic:

 

All of this devolves on the daughter, who just wants to push a button and have things work. 

 

 

The only option for that is Fixed Wireless (4G) and those rest homes with all their medical equipment causing interference / cell blockages takes that option off the table





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"The phone does work fine at different locations, but not at the care home. For some reason random test calls get sent to voicemail instead of ringing the phone. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. At other locations it works perfectly normally all of the time. This problem only seems to occur in the one location where the phone is actually needed."

 

Ok. Before e go down the calling-over-wifi and ATA routes, lets look at the problem at hand... Poor in-room reception, 

 

So first advice is change network operators, go grab a couple of prepay sims from the other networks and see how there reception is....

 

If this is still a bust,  and wifi-calling is an option, then see if that will work with any of the other network operators, 

 

 

 

 


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  #3485444 29-Apr-2026 09:43
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wellygary:

 

Ok. Before e go down the calling-over-wifi and ATA routes, lets look at the problem at hand... Poor in-room reception, 

 

So first advice is change network operators, go grab a couple of prepay sims from the other networks and see how there reception is....

 

If this is still a bust,  and wifi-calling is an option, then see if that will work with any of the other network operators, 

 

 

This is what I have advised. Beyond that it is out of my hands. Thanks again to everyone for taking the trouble to respond to this.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #3485456 29-Apr-2026 10:27
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Find out what bands the device actually supports. There is so much LTE gear that has really old modules in them that have poor band support, and the result is this where it wont work in many places. A friend thought they were being smart getting some LTE car trackers. Turns out they must have been on 3g most of the time because they only get tracking updates in some locations now, making them worthless.

 

But realistically is this not a problem for the retirement home to solve for the person? They have known that copper shut off was a thing for a long time and seem to have been inactive to do anything about it. They know they have a client base that is stubborn or difficult and will not deal with change so should have had this ready to go.





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