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#243391 9-Dec-2018 21:01
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I've been following closely on the tragic situation with the British tourist, Grace Millane. This case hits pretty close to home for a number of reasons (one of which being because it's physically close to where I live).

 

One claim I saw in an article I was just reading on NZ herald by a retired police officer, was that mobile phones can be tracked even when turned off (after the fact). How much merit is there to this? 

 

I know there's been discussions of the police being able to turn on location tracking remotely when 111 is dialled. Cellular triangulation is also possible outside of that system (technically speaking, legalities aside). 

 

Now I have seen claims that certain mobile devices can be turned on remotely, though I've never see clear evidence of that being actually true. But I have never heard of tracking a phone, after the fact and certainly not while turned off.

 

Is this something that is technically possible? 

 

 

 

My understanding is that phones are Off when the are turned off. No radio's are active, including GPS. It would require hte phone to be turned back on and registered against/near a cell site. 
The only time I could see GPS being possibly useful is if the phone was turned on, out of cell coverage and not in flight mode, in which case a lot of phones provide location tracking. But then this would require physical possession of the phone, or for the information to later be uploaded somewhere.

 

 

 


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  #2142241 9-Dec-2018 21:33
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Maybe the retired cop meant in stand-by rather than being turned off or the reporter misunderstood. While there have been reports of stuff like this going on overseas(NSA in Iraq comes to mind) it's not something you would see on phones by default.




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  #2142245 9-Dec-2018 21:46
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mis quoted, mis understands, mis understood. 

 

he probally meant 'tower triangulation', which would get last known location from mining out the logs. 

 

 

 

 


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  #2142247 9-Dec-2018 21:47
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maybe it's a huawei phone ^_^




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  #2142248 9-Dec-2018 21:50
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I'd say there has been some misunderstanding there... 

 

 

 

 

 

On another note though, didnt realize you were a local... 

 





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  #2142255 9-Dec-2018 22:12
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More quality investigative journalism...not

 

 

 

 





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  #2142333 10-Dec-2018 09:31
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Bet there were a few people reading that suddenly needing to go out and purchase one of these

 


 
 
 

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  #2142379 10-Dec-2018 10:52
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Pulled the logs of what towers it was pinging off...


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  #2142393 10-Dec-2018 11:43
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you can't track a phone if it's truly turned off. if it's not turned off but the screen is off then of course yes.


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  #2142397 10-Dec-2018 11:48
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Just to be safe I keep my phone in a faraday cage pocket, but I am forever missing incoming calls.

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  #2142403 10-Dec-2018 12:06
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No need to track phones, they can just track everyone by the RFID chip we all get when we think we're getting a free flu jab. tongue-out


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  #2142405 10-Dec-2018 12:08
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Maybe what the cop said or meant to say was "We can track phone(s) [up to the point where they are turned off], even after they have been turned off".

 

 


 
 
 
 

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  #2142407 10-Dec-2018 12:11
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DarthKermit:

 

No need to track phones, they can just track everyone by the RFID chip we all get when we think we're getting a free flu jab. tongue-out

 

 

I found the anti-vaxer! wink





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  #2142411 10-Dec-2018 12:13
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DarthKermit:

 

No need to track phones, they can just track everyone by the RFID chip we all get when we think we're getting a free flu jab. tongue-out

 

 

Who got a free flu jab??.... I had to pay for mine :)... maybe that means I got a better class of tracking chip....


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  #2142415 10-Dec-2018 12:19
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Just because you pressed the "Power" button on your smartphone, and the screen is now blank, does that mean it's actually off, or just dozing, or quite sleepy really?
Depending what software you have (intentionally or otherwise) in your phone, it could be in any of those states. Remember, when you press that "Power" button, it's just sending the software a signal saying "please shut down now, if that's not too inconvenient. Please"

 

The only way to be really sure your mobile is actually off, is to pop the battery out.
Oh dear, you can't, the battery is a glued-in fixed part of the phone.

 

 

 

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  #2142468 10-Dec-2018 12:47
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But nearly every spy movie I've ever seen insists that you need to take the battery out to stop Them tracking you.

 

I can't believe Hollywood would lie to me over something like this!


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