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Topic # 69994 16-Oct-2010 09:27
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Hi there,

i have recently got a new handset , although this is not my first new handset, and i have always been told that your initial charge of the battery should be overnight or at least 12 hours, and i normally do this.  BUT... the handbook i was reading when i was working out how to put battery and sim card in said this was not needed, there was no specific charge time, just until it was full, so this is what i did, i followed the book, i figured things may have changed be it information or technology, the first charge did not last that long be it all the extra use setting it up and exploring it or the battery being new or a combination of both i do not know.  so i when and did the same again, put it on charge till it was full then turned it on and use it.  not much charge held again only 6 days...  have had better out of older batteries.  then i read this info that the first 3 charges of a new battery condition it.  and it should be left on the charge for a full charge (12 hours) and then fully discharged after each of the 3 charges, and from then on charge it once it starts beeping, and fully discharge it periodically to cleanse the battery. 

is any of this information true?  have i ruined my battery before i have even got started?  is it too late to condition?  your thoughts... what should i do?

i use my phone a fair amount, take the odd call, although usually brief, play with it when i am bored exploring the functions trying them out, playing a game or two.  mostly it sits on standby and is used for text.  i have had my phone now for about 3 weeks and its on its fourth charge, most charges lasting about 4-6 days, the other half has had hers the same amount of time and charged twice, hers lasting a day or sometimes two more than mine, she charged hers when new only till it said full, and then on charged it when it started to beep as opposed to waiting for it to discharged.  whats the difference here?

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  Reply # 392574 16-Oct-2010 13:30
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You are getting great battery life there? Whats the issue with it exactly?




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  Reply # 392622 16-Oct-2010 15:52
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My last Nokia could go 7-8 days on one charge with a relatively similar amount of use.  i keep most things to a minimum not to make it last longer but because i use the phone mostly for sending and receiving texts, taking the odd call, or playing the odd game or taking the odd photo.

my question is more around the conditioning of the battery, would this make it last longer, both in usage time between charges and its overall lifespan, ie how long i would last before needing to replace it, is it too late to condition it, i have just charged it for the fourth time today and took it off when it said full as i have done each other time as i needed to go out, and i would typically wait for it to go flat before putting it back on.  i would expect to charge it once a week, so 6 days is not too bad as you say, but could it be better, and am i shortening that overall expected lifespan of my phone.

what to do next?

 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 392623 16-Oct-2010 15:53
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So if anyone has any thoughts or knowledge please post here, i am sure i am not the only one and more would benefit from the info shared.

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  Reply # 392628 16-Oct-2010 16:19
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I just chuck mine on charge as soon as its not on 4 bars anymore, since battery meters cannot be trusted to be anywhere near the truth.

A genuine BL5C which is what my ones take are not that much online, and the fakes are dirt cheap, but don't last very long at all. I put more importance on the phone having charge in it if needed then getting the longest possible use out of it.




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  Reply # 392636 16-Oct-2010 16:47
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Battery life can also depend on the technologies that's are in your phone (especially when comparing it to your old phone).

For example, when I'm in New Zealand, by Blackberry Pearl 8110 last 3-5 days on standby.
But in the US, it lasts 1-2 days.

Reason being that in the US, it swaps over to EDGE which seems to chew through more power.

So in your case, let's say that your phone has 3G (and your old one doesn't).
If you don't live/work in a 3G optimal location, then the phone is likely to use more power.

Bluetooth and/or GPS are another couple of features that even if you're not using them, you should switch them off as they will chew through a lot of extra power. My battery life drops to half if I just leave Bluetooth on (but don't use it).

In your original post you mentioned 6 days for standby. Personally I think that sounds very reasonable and your concern regarding conditioning of the battery is most likely unfounded. I'm not a battery technician, but I do work with mobile devices (and have done so for many years) and 6 days sounds reasonable for a new phone. 

You also mentioned your partners phone lasts longer than yours. If it's an identical phone, then maybe there is an issue. BUT you do need to take into account where YOU and the PHONE go during the day.
If your workplace is in an area of restricted cell coverage (or between cell sites which would cause the phone to jump between towers), then that could explain the difference.

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  Reply # 392643 16-Oct-2010 17:16
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The further away you are from the cell tower, The More Power your phone will use as it trys to make the best possible connection.

Best way to save power is disable 3g, You only really need it if you browse the web.

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  Reply # 392677 16-Oct-2010 18:56
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the 2730 I have quotes a longer standby time in UMTS than GSM modes, I have them set to dual mode tho since vodafone have such crap 3g around auckland, and if I let it start bleating about low battery then its about 8 days with me getting and reading texts and moving around. I suspect their times are based on never touching the phone, using the phone or moving between sites.




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  Reply # 392691 16-Oct-2010 19:16
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3g: Battery life can also depend on the technologies that's are in your phone (especially when comparing it to your old phone).

For example, when I'm in New Zealand, by Blackberry Pearl 8110 last 3-5 days on standby.
But in the US, it lasts 1-2 days.

Reason being that in the US, it swaps over to EDGE which seems to chew through more power.

So in your case, let's say that your phone has 3G (and your old one doesn't).
If you don't live/work in a 3G optimal location, then the phone is likely to use more power.


Of course it all depends. You can't disable 3G if you are on Telecom XT, because Telecom is 3G only. In that case you switch it to "3G only" or "WCDMA only", which turns off 2G.

As per "EDGE" chewing more power... In the US coverage is bad in most places. Your phone is probably

a) using more power to keep connected to the network due to bad coverage
b) searching for 3G while dropping to 2G (EDGE)...





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  Reply # 393780 19-Oct-2010 20:48
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I don't remember the last time my phone could go 48 hours without being charged. Maybe in offline mode with no GPS or wireless!

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  Reply # 393812 19-Oct-2010 22:27
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boby55: The further away you are from the cell tower, The More Power your phone will use as it trys to make the best possible connection.

Best way to save power is disable 3g, You only really need it if you browse the web.


Except when you live in places where the 2G coverage is very poor and the 3G is very strong.Phone has to work hard to keep a connection.
Also that advice wont work with XT (see how far you get turning off 3G)  



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Reply # 394100 20-Oct-2010 18:57
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Thanks all for your many replies, definitely heaps to think about.

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  Reply # 394515 21-Oct-2010 20:20
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What is the phone model you use anyway? 6 days per recharge is pretty epic imo. Mine lasts for 3 days at best and I don't surf on it, just calls and text.

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